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Fiddlerman 2016 Group Christmas Project - Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
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BillyG
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November 23, 2016 - 2:09 am
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The tempo has been decided.  It will be 80bpm all the way through.

In a manner similar to the animated scores above, I shall post the 7 separate parts later, once they are all uploaded.   These differ slightly from the bpm demo ones above in that - 

(a) The drum track continues throughout each piece.

(b) There is an audio count-in overdubbed on the two (added) leading bars

(c) Whether a part is scored for violin, viola or cello, the instrument playing is pitched correctly, but, to give a cleaner "attack" for keeping time, all parts are voiced as piano - the score of course names the part correctly.

The intent is just to use these as your click-track(s).   

If anyone wants the MuseScore .mscz files, just ask.

Internet permitting, they should be available in about 3 hours time....

EDIT:

Well 3 hrs later, BOTHER BOTHER BOTHER it all....  I forgot to adjust the darned levels.... 5 mins to sort that, another 3 hours to upload.....  grrrr

FINALLY :

Vln solo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....OLpcFOvho0

Vln 1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....syKlDWSshg

Vln 2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....hwmGXXSJG8

Vln 3 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....4iNyK-fWBI

Vln 4 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....nR9lp5ACzA

Viola : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....syBOehrPlw

Cello : https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....JDKl-ywBkg

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BillyG, are you going to post a single MP3 click track?  That would probably the most useful and least confusing.  Or is Pierre going to do that?

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I am grateful to the wonderful BillyG for all the help at a time which is greatly needed. The tempo is fine for me and I'll be making my own version of a click back which will correspond with Bill's though with my own touches and percussion.
Thanks everyone. This will be a lot of fun.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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BillyG
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Yup - @PopFiddle thanks for the comment.   To clarify for everyone - they were never intended to replace a "proper" click, they were complementary to it in an attempt to make it easier (and indeed less confusing) for those who are beginners and suffering from the overload of trying to read sheet at the appropriate speed, while also trying to decide have they actually hit the right note, and while trying to "lock in" to one of the "sub-rhythms or percussion or melody" in the more complex sounding click track for the part they're playing....  LOL.    

So it was an experiment / attempt to see if it encourages more beginners who may initially say "Oh... I could never play that it's got too many accidentals scattered through it... etc... etc..." to perhaps feel a bit more easy about it and have something that can really guide them as far as tempo and intonation goes - and to be virtually decoupled from the need to read sheet fluently...

These tracks are all at the final agreed tempo of 80 bpm and can be used equally well for recording submissions - as @Fiddlerman mentioned above his single track will correspond in overall timing to these video clips - so either can be used.

I agree though, and experienced players of course, would prefer just the single click/backing and play directly from sheet.   

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November 24, 2016 - 11:03 am
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My thought is that it doesn't matter which click track you use later as long as we make sure that all the click tracks correspond with each other. I'll try to do that when I'm done with my click.
So, Bill, you are using 75 for the solo passages in the first 8 bars then going to 80BPM ?

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BillyG
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Fiddlerman said
My thought is that it doesn't matter which click track you use later as long as we make sure that all the click tracks correspond with each other. I'll try to do that when I'm done with my click.
So, Bill, you are using 75 for the solo passages in the first 8 bars then going to 80BPM ?  

 OHHHHHHHH - REAL GLAD I caught that - no no no no no - it's 80 all the way through....  my references to the 75 were in connection with the original arrangement

  Everything I did was based on the music .xml file you sent - and the tempo, on anything I did, was set to 80 bpm throughout.  

  ( LOL I thought there MIGHT even be folks trying to play-along with a metronome (hopefully electronic) and sheet without recourse to anything else - just saw it as a bit damned awkward to change a "physical" metronome from 75 to 80 after 8 bars in the middle of playing - LOL - so I left the entire enchilada at 80 end to end...  

  Think 80.   80.   80.  Think nothing else !!! roflol 

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Fiddlerman
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That will make it easier. LOL
No worries. I would have checked beforehand too. I think!

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but the one who needs the least."

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Hi everybody, I'm back again, another baby's here (this time a daughter) and I'm ready to join you again for Christmas project. 🙂 Regards from Prague 🙂

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BillyG
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Heyyyy, gtsy @terezka - and congrats !!!!!   Yayyyyy !!!

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Hi all, I'm back!

I know I haven't been here for well over a year, and it's been a horrible time.  But I thought maybe a project would do me good, so here I am!  Also it feels like an extended family where I can visit after a long absence and will still be part of the gang.  doublekiss

I haven't touched a violin or cello for a very long time, so basically I'm a new learner again (never really graduated that level before anyway), so no promises, but I like this one.

One question ... forgive my ignorance ... what is this?   facepalmOk, I can't copy and paste from a pdf, but it's a note with lots of lines through the tail.  Is that a vibrato sign?

Hoping to keep in touch more regularly,

Robyn

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Welcome back, Robyn! @Robyn.fnq 

From time to time, I'd wondered where you'd gone. Sorry to hear that you've had a rough time while you were away. Playing music is a great diversion and can lift the spirits, so I'm confident that you'll be glad you picked up your violin again.

To answer your question, I believe that's a tremolo symbol. Let's see what Pierre @Fiddlerman  says, however, for the official answer.

And, welcome back, @terezka and congratulations on your new baby!

-- Diane

When the work's all done and the sun's settin' low,

I pull out my fiddle and I rosin up the bow.

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Is there any traditional recording to hear the song (including the overture)? Someone give me a link, please. 🙂

Thanks for congrats, it was a fight, but she's wonderful. 🙂

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BillyG
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terezka said
Is there any traditional recording to hear the song (including the overture)? Someone give me a link, please. 🙂

  If by "traditional" you are referring to a vocal rendition - then in that sense you can't go far wrong with either Frank Sinatra or Judy Garland's - here's Judy's -    The "overture" / intro as scored in the arrangement for this project is however most likely unique to the arranger, Nicklai Clavier.   Just google it anyway - dozens of great covers out there !

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just bookmarked it, hopefully get a chance to work on it, just had another tenant leave so right back to work

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BillyG said
The tempo has been decided.  It will be 80bpm all the way through...
FINALLY :..."

THANKS Bill, now lets see how I can get to happen. Listening and recording may be a challenge as I am down to only one piece of electronics. Will keep everyone posted

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Fiddlerman
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I made the click track for the project. Sorry I didn't get a chance to check if it syncs with your files Bill. Please check that if you have the time. 🙂

playback file

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BillyG
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Ha !   Still away from home - I convinced one of my friends down here to get Audacity loaded and let me use her machine....

 @Fiddlerman I compared your MP3 click, against the audio captured from one of my "animated play-along" parts already on You Tube ( the cello, as it happens - doesn't matter which - they're all 80 bpm ) and looked at the two ( and listened ) in Audacity.

They are in perfect synch.

Here's a pic from that last two bars' timings in Audacity of both your MP3 ( on top ) and the audio from my YT cello part.    They look "marginally" different on the downbeat which I have highlighted - but - trust me on this - it was just my quick "lining-up" - and they are exactly the same slight distance apart at the start....  had I spent more time lining them up they would be perfectly-aligned in the image.  So, I would say our players can use either your overall click, or my animated play-along files - whichever is better for a particular person....

Awesome....    I think the "experiment" worked....

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  Ain't digital technology absolutely freakin' awesome.....     how did we ever manage to survive in an analog world ?

 

 

 

For "final proof" that they are in synch - here's the audio mix of Pierre's click-track and my cello line (with my own simple click Tom-side-side-side included ) - it's perfect...

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Perfect. Then it doesn't matter which track you use. Everyone is free to make their own choice. Thanks Bill.

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@Robyn.fnq @terezka 

Welcome back to the forum and to another Fiddlerman project.

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Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

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Thanks for the song by Judy Garland, it's fine. I've just been playing the parts and I'm surprised how difficult it is (the rhythm!). I have to fasten my goggles and practise! serenade

But now my direction is "bed". It's midnight, a windstorm, I wish you a merry little before-christmas night. hats_offsleep

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