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Fiddlerman
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BillyG said

Jols said .......

I hope we get a lot of submissions for this. I can't wait to hear the final output!
Submitting my parts to Pierre now.yaaaa_gif

@Jols - I recall you mentioning something in the past (the previous project) about having submitted video but weren't included - just drawing your attention to the list of parts Pierre has in the post #53 (above) ---- I notice you wrote you were submitting your parts (in your post) - but - I don't see your name on the list....

It's not easy to manage all these submissions, and it's maybe just a technical/administrative slip (my video part was not present either, but I know Pierre has it) - but - for your own peace of mind - it's worth checking !!!!

Thanks to your comment Bill I was able to find Jols email in my spam folder and followed the link to 5 parts. 🙂
I also received CID's parts. I'm so happy I posted the list so far.
I'll continue to do it from time to time, but more importantly we need to show all the videos. If anyone wants me to choose a different video from the one I chose, best you let me know now. Only one person so far has indicated which video they want me to use. Only one person sent MP3's on the remaining submissions. Of course I never asked for that but it's helpful for people to tell me what name they want me to use on credits and which video they would like used.

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April 11, 2020 - 10:21 am
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Some people are cutting the videos exactly, if not after, the start of the video. That means that when I mix the videos there cannot be a lead. Either all the videos get cut off or I have to add something on some of the videos in the beginning.

Please record at least a few seconds before and after the video for me. I prefer more. Let me cut the video instead. I have to do it anyway. 😁

I'll PM a few of you to see if you could include a bit more of the beginning on one of your videos.

Thanks

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Fiddlerman said .........
......Thanks to your comment Bill I was able to find Jols email in my spam folder and followed the link to 5 parts. 🙂

I also received CID's parts. I'm so happy I posted the list so far.

I'll continue to do it from time to time, but more importantly we need to show all the videos. If anyone wants me to choose a different video from the one I chose, best you let me know now. Only one person so far has indicated which video they want me to use. Only one person sent MP3's on the remaining submissions. Of course I never asked for that but it's helpful for people to tell me what name they want me to use on credits and which video they would like used.

  

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  There's your answer then @Jols and @cid - all good !!!

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So far all these people have submitted. Not referring to parts now, just the amount of people and the videos that I chose.

Jols_Amazing Grace_Violin 2.mp4

Cid Amazing Grace Viola 3_1.mp4

Vla 3 Nan Butler Everett.mp4

Till and Liljana Müller - Violin1.mp4

Hanna Rydkina-2.mp4

Ricky Nelson (Violin1).mp4

Viola 1 - Rex Cabingan.mp4

Rachael Devernoe VLN 1.mp4

Jim Heiman - Violin 2.mp4

Bill Gunn - 1st Vln.mp4

Avery Redlich - Vln 4.mp4

Allie Rodman - Vln 2.mp4

Sahana - Violin1 - .mp4

Putri violin 3 - .mp4

Lisa Headley-Rist - - Violin 2.mp4

"Elizabeth Kirk" Violin 1 .mp4

Lawrence Yuquimpo Vln1 .mp4

(Lisa B) Violin 4 .mp4

Cameron Wilcox - Violin 2 - .mp4

Jim Dunleavy - Violin 3 - .mp4

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There are a couple cello parts that I can do pretty good. I will try to get them done by tomorrow night and send them in to add more cello deep sound.

Viola Time! 

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I finally got a few tracks recorded and submitted. I sent @Fiddlerman a couple of takes of each part (can you let me know if you don't get all 6 submissions). Use what you will. I'll keep working on Pts 2 & 4. Thanks

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Just a little practicing play along with @Fiddlerman

 

Play along with Fiddlerman

 

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That was lovely, @Ripton. I never though of recording it while the Fiddlerman and Gibbles were able to be heard. I will have to do that. I have my own cello version that I play the melody with, but I use the D and A strings (not a part for the group project). I just used the sheet music for the violin 1 (I think) to get the correct melody and did it on my cello. I should do it like you just did. It sounds quite nice on the D and A strings of my cello. 

What size viola do you have? Mine is between 15 1/2” and 16”. Closer to 15 3/4”. The way it is made, though, it does not feel like almost 16”, which it is closer to. I had to trade my 16” because it was too large for me. My new viola is made by Kenneth Sullivan, the owner and luthier of the semi-local violin shop I go to. I got it a week before the doors closed due to COVID. It is actually made from good aged Central New York State maple (We have a lot of big gorgeous maple trees). Local wood! Lovely. It makes it very special to me. The spruce(?) was not local. 

I would love to get a Fiddlerman viola to use, also. I love the varying the sounds of songs with instruments of different tonal qualities. It does make a difference. That will be next year if I can find a 15 1/2” on their site that is intermediate or higher. I love my Fiddlerman violin and I am quite sure the viola will be just as wonderful. 

Anyway, I digress, as usual. Back to Amazing Grace, thank you so much for sharing that and the idea! Simply fantastic, and after I do the two or three cello parts I am going to contribute to the group project, I will do what you did. Fantastic and it was simply lovely. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Viola Time! 

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thanks, @cid this is my 16.5" Fiddlerman's Master viola. I love it, although perhaps I really only needed a 16". His team did such a great job with the set up I was able to play straight from the box on delivery day. 

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So far today:
Pay no attention to which parts are here. I have audio from all submissions and I chose these videos. If you have a preferred video than the one I chose, please let me know ASAP. I'm trying to get more part 4 and 5 videos to balance.

1 - Andrea Young - violin.mp4

1 - Bill Gunn - 1st Vln.mp4

1 - Elizabeth Kirk Violin.mp4

1 - Lawrence Yuquimpo Vln.mp4

1 - Rachael Devernoe Violin.mp4

1 - Ricky Nelson (Violin1).mp4

1 - Robert West - Violin.mp4

1 - Sahana - Violin -.mp4

1 - Till and Liljana Müller.mp4

1 - Viola - Rex Cabingan.mp4

1 - violin - Adrian Fernandez.mp4

1 - Vivienne Tran - Violin.mp4

2 - Allie Rodman - Vln 2.mp4

2 - Cameron Wilcox - Violin.mp4

2 - Hanna Rydkina.mp4

2 - Jim Heiman - Violin.mp4

2 - Jols_Amazing Grace.mp4

2 - Lisa Headley-Rist - Violin.mp4

3 - Cid Amazing Grace Viola.mp4

3 - Colin Hadfield.mp4

3 - Jim Dunleavy - Violin.mp4

3 - Putri violin.mp4

3 - Vla Nan Butler Everett.mp4

4 - Avery Redlich - Vln 4.mp4

4 - Lisa B Violin.mp4

5 - Madeline West AG part 5.mp4

5 - Steve Nordborg VLA.mp4

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Fiddlerman said
 

 I'm trying to get more part 4 and 5 videos to balance.

  

Do you need more Pt 4 and 5 submissions? I can do that tonight or tomorrow. 

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No I do not. I have tons of audio submissions. Just not as many videos. It's probably my own fault. I need to choose more part 4 or 5 videos.
Most people sent me multiple videos and some people, such as Billy 😁 sent over 10. That really adds up. If I get 50 - 100 videos, the audio will be ridiculous to mix if I have an average of 5 audios per person.

Thanks very much for the offer Ripton. Not saying not to do it, just that I'll have plenty of audio. I am all for having as many participants as possible but not knowing how many there will be come Wednesday morning, not wanting to ask for more from individuals who have already sent multiple parts.

Usually, from past experiences, people give me their submissions right around the deadline date.

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I'm new at this, posted a couple of videos over the weekend.  Just checking that they came through and that I did it correctly.

Tim

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Glad to hear you have plenty. I'm going to change keys and head over to the Game of Thrones project 

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Cool, sounds like a lot of submissions!  ( LOL - I only sent in all the additional audios because in the past, I suspect some projects have suffered from having little other than the Vln 1 part)

Meant to say @Ripton - yeah - well done there, and it's a great plan to do these play-alongs - really helpful.

I also do this sort of thing (not to "copy", but to learn technique) and I just keep these locally for the duration of a project, or whatever else it is (like learning a specific technique - from all sorts of various free stuff on YT) - but I take it one step further and make a combined video.  Reviewing the video can be quite "telling" - here's one I did along to Pierre's Vln 1 - the video is unlisted, please don't share once you have the link, it WILL be removed anyway once the project is released - 

In the video - Notice -

(1) the LONGGGG bows Pierre uses, where mine tend, generally, to be somewhat shorter (but I do manage full end-to-end bows on occasion - and embarrassingly I'll sometimes pull right back, and off the tip ROFL!!!!),

(2) Piere's use of "real" vibrato - I can fake, well, manage a subtle "finger" vib - but still struggle with the wider vibrato.

(3) my, in places errr - let's say not quite perfect intonation

(4) my complete inability at times to lock into the click track..... D'Oh...

(5) my entirely cavalier attitude to the dynamics/articulation of the piece - yes - I *can* play certain pieces with the expression and passion they deserve, but, for where I am in my playing journey right now - before I can manage to do that - I have to "own" the piece (in the sense of not having to follow sheet, and in-ear click-track and video all at the same time - once I "own it" yes - then the expression, dynamics and passion do indeed appear in my playing)

(6) Our "approach" to the instrument is visibly different - but that's only because Pierre's violin is strung normally, G,D,A,E - I'm playing on my "viola-strung-fiddle", which is strung C, G, D, A - so my bowing arm is approaching the top two strings.

So - it is not that I ever intentionally "copy for copying's sake" another player - no - that of course is not what I'm doing - it's all about understanding technique, learning, and comparing how I manage against a pro-player, and accepting where my limitations are - all cool !!! I should add, I do this type of thing with other people who demonstrate technique on YouTube - it is really educational, and I find doing this sort of thing hugely beneficial ! Once you have a combined video like this, you can review, in excruciating detail, precisely where you have messed up.

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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I submitted on the 7th but I didn’t see it on the list so I just submitted again.  I hope it goes through this time!

Mike Walters

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BillyG said

Fiddlerman said .........

......Thanks to your comment Bill I was able to find Jols email in my spam folder and followed the link to 5 parts. 🙂

I also received CID's parts. I'm so happy I posted the list so far.

I'll continue to do it from time to time, but more importantly we need to show all the videos. If anyone wants me to choose a different video from the one I chose, best you let me know now. Only one person so far has indicated which video they want me to use. Only one person sent MP3's on the remaining submissions. Of course I never asked for that but it's helpful for people to tell me what name they want me to use on credits and which video they would like used.

  

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  There's your answer then @Jols and @cid - all good !!!

  

@BillyG yay, thanks for pointing that out thanks_much_smiley_gif !

I'm one of the guilty few who cut the video too close to the start facepalm @Fiddlerman I sent you a note this morning. I uploaded a version of my Violin 3 with 5 additional seconds before the start. Please let me know if I need to make any more changes or if you need me to do it to my Violin 4 or 5 video instead. I have my computer next to me all day and it should be fairly quick to make those updates.

My neighbors probably want to strangle me for all the noise I've been making.  But hey, "no pain, no gain" right? Except, they feel the pain and I get the gain (I'm really sorry, neighbors :-S)

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🙂 🙂  🙂 @Jols - hayyy - SO happy your submissions were found - not a problem, my pleasure entirely, glad to help !!!!

P.S. Jols - I'm pretty certain a 5 seconds lead-in will be more than perfect !!!

I don't know the entire processing details Pierre goes through - but I do know, from my own multi-player projects in the past -yup - there are "things to do" - like -

(1) adjust the levels of each player's submission(s) to match other player's levels

(2) cancel your background noise/hiss (everyone has that,even in a quiet room)

(3) if (as the producer of a small group project) I'm really concerned about the tonal balance between players, and/or instruments, then sure , with a "good/reasonable" track, I'll adjust the levels for dynamics, where, perhaps, the player had not done so.

etc 

etc

etc

.... it's a serious challenge - and more power to those who do this type of mix-down for a living....  Beats me !!!!! 

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Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Here are all the videos I will be using. I am also using the audio from your other videos as well. If you submitted your files and do not see your name on the list below, get a hold of me quickly. Thanks!

 

Joseph Gonzales - Violin.mp4

Ivo Adams.mp4

Emilie Rosado.mp4

Javan Ostermann.mp4

Kris Koss.mp4

Lila Hoover Group.mp4

Rachel Olson.mp4

Zac Gordon.mp4

Leah Hoover.mp4

Ruth Obermayer.mp4

Joel Hoover.mp4

Alexa Hoover.mp4

Daniel Zarka.mp4

Emily Koss-Stephany.mp4

Gina Koss-Stephany.mp4

Zach Hoover.mp4

Janet Clippard.mp4

Tim Cannon.mp4

Abelardo Campana.mp4

Rolando Mederos.mp4

Calvin Chan.mp4

Colby Chan Cello.mp4

Daniel Moreland.mp4

Grant A  Violin.mp4

Bill Kolarik.mp4

Mia Rosado.mp4

Sharon C.mp4

Sabrina_Miller.mp4

Nessim Yohros.mp4

Zoe Harvey - Cello.mp4

Robin Saderup.mp4

Miranda Hernandez.mp4

Mike Walters Violin.mp4

David Ryan.mp4

Colette Godkin.mp4

Lucas Meyer.mp4

Gibbles.mp4

Erica Burrell Violin.mp4

Cameron Wilcox - Violin.mp4

Jim Dunleavy - Violin.mp4

Lisa Headley-Rist - Violin.mp4

Sahana - Violin -.mp4

Bill Gunn - 1st Vln.mp4

Avery Redlich - Vln 4.mp4

Hanna Rydkina.mp4

Jols N. Ceniza.mp4

Cid Amazing Grace Viola.mp4

Vivienne Tran - Violin.mp4

Lisa B.mp4

Lawrence Yuquimpo.mp4

Elizabeth Kirk Violin.mp4

Putri violin.mp4

Allie Rodman  Vln 2.mp4

Jim Heiman Violin.mp4

Rachael Devernoe Violin.mp4

Rex Cabingan.mp4

Ricky Nelson  (Violin1).mp4

Vla Nan Butler Everett.mp4

Adrian Fernandez  Violin.mp4

Steve Nordborg  VLA.mp4

Colin Hadfield.mp4

Andrea Young  violin.mp4

Robert West  Violin.mp4

Stephen Patteson - Violin.mp4

Felix Cuza.mp4

Heidi Stoltzfus Violin.mp4

Denise Losczyk - Violin.mp4

Joanna Holstein - Violin.mp4

Roy Ladner Violin.mp4

Madeline West AG part 5.mp4

Till and Liljana Müller.mp4

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