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intrepidgirl
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@starise We are happy to have you here. I echo @BillyG and the others, I enjoy this forum precisely because of its diversity, civility, and friendly support. @AndrewH As a beginner, I really appreciate some of the more detailed analysis and discussions from more advanced players, both classical and fiddle. I think you fit right in here, and hopefully you are enjoying this forum as well.

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BillyG, Many kind thanks to you for such a warm welcome. intrepidgirl, to you as well.

No more dwelling on the past. From here on out it's onward and upward. No one has ever accomplished anything new looking back . Better days ahead and all of that.

Pleased to be here, the honor is mine. smile

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I was kicked off of V.com about 7 years ago.
I'm not sure why but I did advertise a concert the day that it happened.

I wrote an email to the admin about it but did not receive a reply.

I try not to judge and I imagine the fact that I was starting a forum myself was a conflict though I did not talk about my forum there and it was very new and small.

When a situation arrises on Fiddlerman.com/forum in which the conflict gets out of hand, I usually delete the offensive posts, not their opinions, and give the posting members a warning.

AndrewH said
That said... I personally feel more comfortable there than here, despite the handful of snobs there, because here I have to tread lightly to avoid coming across as a snob. I'm an outsider on both forums, over there because I'm mostly self-taught and here because I'm a classical player with very little exposure to fiddle music until recently. I think one of the difficulties classical players have is that many have similarly had almost no exposure to fiddle music and aren't sure how to communicate with a fiddler. So it's not that they're being snobs, it's more that they feel like fish out of water themselves. (Some of them may even have encountered fiddle snobs before -- and yes, fiddle snobs exist.) I've heard classical players say that, in their experience, fiddlers get offended easily, and I have to say I can understand that point of view as well even if it's only true of a small number of fiddlers.

Spoken like a true snob. LOL - <------- Just kidding!!!

I'm sorry you feel that way and I guess I never noticed because you are treading lightly. I, for one, relate to your posts. 🙂

I think "musicians" in general get offered easily be it classical, folk, pop, old time..... you name it, if someone knocks their opinions down. We take our music and performance very personally.

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I bought a pair of Wittner geared tuning pegs from Fiddlerman and I was asking a few questions about putting them on my fiddle. One particular self righteous individual proceeded to tell me that I was promoting vandalizing violins.....

I imagine that he doesn't realize that the pegs can be put on the instrument and removed as easily as normal pegs providing one does not ream the holes too much. He may not even be familiar with the system and has no desire to be. Professional violinists are usually musicians who started playing at a young age and tuning becomes second nature for them, therefor they cannot relate to those who are not comfortable using pegs. I've witnessed serious difficulties from all levels of violinists and understand that the geared pegs can simplify life for so many of them, which is why those pegs have become so popular.

..........To be honest I didn't fit there anyways.......

You are very welcome here. 🙂

PLEASE if I ever do anything considered in any way offensive tell me. Even if you're going to eliminate me on the site I appreciate knowing why.....

It's a deal.

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Fiddlerman said
I was kicked off of V.com about 7 years ago.

I'm not sure why but I did advertise a concert the day that it happened.

I wrote an email to the admin about it but did not receive a reply.

  

FWIW, Pierre, v.com has links to fiddlerman.com and fiddlershop, but you can probably see that as a guest.

Maybe you could try asking laurie@violinist.com again.

Dealers such as Dmitri Musafia and Lyndon Taylor are members, so it's not as though commercial interests are banned. Unless someone like Lyndon is jealous of you!

Andrew

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I doubt that I am the fiddler type myself. I tend to like the classical stuff. However, I see no reason to shut myself off from fiddlers, and not learn from them.

I grew up poor, so there is no way I would ever fit in with a group of snobs, so I don't even try. I have visited some of those violin sites, where they talk all high and mighty, with no flexibility at all. Just all ridged in their thinking and views. Still, I can learn things from some of the things they say, without even talking to any of them, or joining their forum. I get what I need and move on.

I like this forum, even though I have not spent a lot of time here lately. It is more open to everyone, and I do not run across people with their nosed pointed skyward all the time. They let me be me, and I let you all be you. That works for me.

We can all learn from each other, even if we think and do things differently.

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I was kicked off of V.com about 7 years ago.
I'm not sure why but I did advertise a concert the day that it happened.

I wrote an email to the admin about it but did not receive a reply.

I try not to judge and I imagine the fact that I was starting a forum myself was a conflict though I did not talk about my forum there and it was very new and small.

When a situation arrises on Fiddlerman.com/forum in which the conflict gets out of hand, I usually delete the offensive posts, not their opinions, and give the posting members a warning.

Wow, really?  I can't imagine. You? I'm a bit taken back by that. Of all people I would not think you would be kicked off. If you weren't advertising I don't see why there would be a conflict since there are people there all the time who have interests in other stuff who are in business. They sometimes mention their products too. Oh well...if you had spent a lot of time over there we probably wouldn't have this nice forum over here. Thanks!

I think your approach is very fair. This is the way it is on most other sites I attend.

I don't claim to be an angel by any stretch, but in probably 20 years of posting online I have never been deleted before. Never even warned. There was some tension on one site a few years ago. It was a song writing site. Mainly due to an "anything goes" thread. Yeah that was fun and dangerous at the same time. I'm still the site author at that site. 

I imagine that he doesn't realize that the pegs can be put on the instrument and removed as easily as normal pegs providing one does not ream the holes too much. He may not even be familiar with the system and has no desire to be. Professional violinists are usually musicians who started playing at a young age and tuning becomes second nature for them, therefor they cannot relate to those who are not comfortable using pegs. I've witnessed serious difficulties from all levels of violinists and understand that the geared pegs can simplify life for so many of them, which is why those pegs have become so popular.

Several seasoned players recommended the pegs, a few with extensive playing experience. It was just this one guy mainly. Apparently the Wittner pegs are popular in some classical musician circles going only on my experiences. A few there did recommend I use a luthier to have them put in. Probably good advice for anyone who doubts they should try it. Does take a little measuring and getting the size you need right. I almost made a bad mistake but managed to make it right with the shim fix. My violin needed the 1:30 reamer. I put them on my 2nd best violin. I'll probably put them on my best violin too now that I'm more familiar with the process. That violin needs a different size Wittner  peg set. 

Maybe you're right about this individual. Also, even though the Wittner pegs are fine properly installed I think a few players who have a large investment in a custom instrument don't want to be changing anything on it. I LOVE them on my violin!!

Thank you for the warm welcome Fiddlerman! violin-1267thumbs-up

MACJR- Well said. I couldn't agree more. thumbs-up

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Fiddlerman said
 

I'm sorry you feel that way and I guess I never noticed because you are treading lightly. I, for one, relate to your posts. 🙂

I think "musicians" in general get offered easily be it classical, folk, pop, old time..... you name it, if someone knocks their opinions down. We take our music and performance very personally.

  

It's not you or other people on this forum -- it's more a matter of self-consciousness that the repertoire I play, the gear I use, and the expectations in high-level orchestras are far outside the scope of what typically gets discussed here, and I need to be careful about describing them.

I suppose that's why I sympathize a little with the classical players over there -- I've met a number of classical players who are personally open to learning something about fiddle styles and techniques, but have been called names enough times that they've decided it's no longer worthwhile to try to engage. Not to accuse anyone here of doing that, but it's something that happens in the world.

IMO, the big problem with v.com is not so much a matter of being inflexible, but that many people there (mostly high-level amateurs) are not especially good at explaining why they do things a certain way and so come across as saying "because this is just how it's done." And I think they sort of take it for granted that everyone started as children. The vast majority of the adult violin students there are returners who played at a high level when they were younger, not first-time learners.

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And yes, I'm still flabbergasted that LT hasn't gotten the boot a long time ago... the only explanation I can think of now is that he has incriminating photos of someone.

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Do not ever mention Lindsey(sp?) Sterling over there. She is an entertainer with a love of dancing and violin, and has put the two together to entertain. They compare her to Hillary Hann and cut her down terribly. She is not classical and does not claim to be. She cannot play in perfect classical form with what she does. She is dancing while playing. Well, Hillary Hann played while hoola hooping and that was completely fine. Go figure. Big thread about that and try to explain they are two completely different forms of entertainment. I got hit pretty bad when I explained that. Oh, well. I booted myself about 3 months later when I agreed about the lack of friendly posters, and attempted to explain why. It was a really weird thread. 

Much better here. Ok, I am done with this thread, but I must say, @Fiddlerman I am either very impressed you got booted, or very shocked and disappointed! I will let you know when I decide. 

Here is a booted badge for you and @starise     🥾

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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Indeed @cid .  I can well understand folks who simply play for their own satisfaction and enjoyment, but equally and agreed, huge kudos to folks like Lindsey who are true entertainers, and bring music, fun and dance into the performance arena.  The world would be a duller place without them.

LOL at the "You've been booted" badge !  @starise and @Fiddlerman should wear it with honor and pride !!!   

I'll have to do something argumentative on one of these forums now to get one (it's just the devil in me.....)

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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I am reminded of the line “ I would never join a club that would have me for a member” as I read through this thread.  Never chose to partake, and thus never had the opportunity of banishment.

Research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I’m doing.  —Werner von Braun

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.         —Frank Zappa

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Aw @Irv Join and get booted so I can give you the “Boot” badge! 

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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cid LOL!! Thanks for the boot badge! I will hold it in high regard.smile

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

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A "Boot" badge. ROFL

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pchoppin said
I was posting in http://www.violinist.com for about a week and one of my posts was replied to that made me feel inferior and lower than dirt.  I left the forum.

While I am sure the folks on violinist.com are decent overall, I have found Fiddlerman so much more helpful and nice.

Stay with us, @starise 

  

I'm over there as well, they're pro sight readers that specialize in Classical music. I sensed some snobbiness right away but I already knew what to expect. I've been an ear player for 40 years and I put that out there up front. On the other side of the coin there's a lot of very helpful players over there, they all want to give perfect pro opinions on everything that's relevant to their style, and to music they enjoy. They almost want to out-do each other with their technological prowess. 

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