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@Gordon Shumway -

Wow - you hit the Jackpot! 

Not only did your video answer a question about MIDIs, that "Music Repo" YouTube Channel is a treasure trove of home recording info - broken down into videos that are easy to understand, for beginners (like me)! 

Music Repo

This channel has Videos that I (personally) find helpful, for example: 

  •  how to record violin at home 
  •  better audio on your mobile with an external mic 
  •  audio interface and what it does 
  •  USB mic vs audio interface 
  •  what a MIDI is and it's uses
  • using Reaper DAW, and Audacity DAW 
  • scanning sheet music to play it back, edit it, convert it to MIDI, transpose, import into notation software or DAW 
  •  isolate vocals or instruments from a song 
  •  syncing audio & video recording  
  •  external mic reviews/comparisons 

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THANK YOU, Andrew! 

- Emily

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This was also posted in my blog, but not everyone reads that and thought it is of value in this thread.

Been getting better acquainted with PreSonus Studio One 5 and learned how to create a template with all of the Spitfire Audio BBC Symphony Orchestra instruments. The main problem I have with all their videos is that they are NOT geared for the raw beginner, merely for first time users of Studio One. It makes it difficult for DAW neophytes like me, with all the technical terms that are assumed to be known. I would hope others will not have this difficulty.

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JohnG said
This was also posted in my blog, but not everyone reads that and thought it is of value in this thread.

Been getting better acquainted with PreSonus Studio One 5 and learned how to create a template with all of the Spitfire Audio BBC Symphony Orchestra instruments. The main problem I have with all their videos is that they are NOT geared for the raw beginner, merely for first time users of Studio One. It makes it difficult for DAW neophytes like me, with all the technical terms that are assumed to be known. I would hope others will not have this difficulty.

  

i dont have symphony orchestra but do have some of their stuff if you have something you need help with...theres a good possibility i dont have an answer cause ive  really only scratched the surface on this stuff so in that case we'd figure it out and both get something from it.

also..they have a new forum that someone may have similar issues and there is a good tech support email theyve responded fairly quickly ..within a day.

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@JohnG -

I realized the same thing about PreSonus when I started watching some of their videos.  To better understand the terminology and how how some of this works, I had to look at comparable, competitor videos - like the ones I've suggested throughout this thread. 

PreSonus.com does appear to have good info in their Support, "Knowledge Base" - which is more than I can say about Microsoft (Kevin still can't get Flight Simulator to download). (lol) 

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🤔 ...I'm curious - why did you decide to go with PreSonus Artist and Musescore Pro, instead of just PreSonus Sphere? 

- Emily

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🤔 ...I'm curious - why did you decide to go with PreSonus Artist and Musescore Pro, instead of just PreSonus Sphere? 

- Emily 

I have MuseScore 3, which is free, from the .org as opposed to the .com site. And I got PreSonus Prime, which is free, and then decided to pay for the upgrade to Artist for its additional functionality.

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*Irv posted this in JohnG's blog -

Back in the day when I had a radio program, I remember playing “violin phase” by Steve Reich. As I remember, the backbone was a simple musical phrase similar to “Mary had a little lamb.” Well within your current musical vocabulary. Making something like that would certainly give you some practice in using multiple tracks.

@Irv -

Cool idea! 😎   

I much prefer Steve Reich's, "Eight Lines"

Interesting possibilities, utilizing a single musical motif/many ways as a whole composition or to accompany the melody surrounding that motif - could be a very rewarding process! 

The motif could be as simple as a few notes, like you mention, or a more elaborate melody - overlap it, shift it, and punctuating the piece with fragments of itself, etc... something definitely worth thinking about when creating a composition or backing tracks. 

It boggles my mind why Steve Reich would create "Violin Phase" to be such a long, drawn out piece - or how he could stand listening to it more than once!  Cool concept, but sure feels like he pushed that concept to the point of annoyance (sorry, my opinion).

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Oh, DVS software!

...no, I'm not going there. (lol) 

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Part of my response to @Irv's comment was, "I can see where using a single phrase with the tools available to create rounds, or complex, multi-tonal constructs, or varying rhythms to create different genres could be of immense help in truly learning DAW capabilities!".

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@JohnG -

Oh, YES! 

Btw, thanx for telling me about Musescore 3 - makes sense.

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Reich likely did it with reel to reel tape recorders.  He explored the limits of what he could do with the primitive technology available to him at the time.

It is now obviously easy to do octave shifting, sample inversion, and likely a score of other tricks.

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.         —Frank Zappa

The future is already here—it’s just not very evenly distributed. —William Gibson

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As an example (I promise I won't do this often) of what can be done, here is a sample that I did with Raglan Road that came from a MuseScore midi file. Very simple, but includes strings from BBC Symphony Orchestra and Labs Moon Guitar, both from Spitfire Audio.

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@JohnG -

It's GREAT! 

Is that the Viola I part, or the Viola II part (hint, hint)?

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sounds great @JohnG !  if you want....look in the backing track folder and Mouse moved a topic over there to post these.. in case others want to find them easier to practice or play along with.  yours especially can be useful i think.

"(I promise I won't do this often)"

unless its storage space issues on server..i dont see the harm... no one is required to listen...🤣 id be interested obviously 😂😁

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It's GREAT! 

Is that the Viola I part, or the Viola II part (hint, hint)? 

It's the Violas track from the BBC Symphony Orchestra file from Spitfire Audio, there are violins 1 and 2, but just one selection for viola.

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sounds great @JohnG !  if you want....look in the backing track folder and Mouse moved a topic over there to post these.. in case others want to find them easier to practice or play along with.  yours especially can be useful i think.

"(I promise I won't do this often)"

unless its storage space issues on server..i dont see the harm... no one is required to listen...🤣 id be interested obviously 😂😁  

Thanks, this was just a relatively simple assignment of instruments and balancing the volume through the mixer.

I just don't want to overwhelm folks with all my posts (I do enough as it is!).

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JohnG said

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@JohnG -

It's GREAT! 

Is that the Viola I part, or the Viola II part (hint, hint)? 

It's the Violas track from the BBC Symphony Orchestra file from Spitfire Audio, there are violins 1 and 2, but just one selection for viola.

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sounds great @JohnG !  if you want....look in the backing track folder and Mouse moved a topic over there to post these.. in case others want to find them easier to practice or play along with.  yours especially can be useful i think.

"(I promise I won't do this often)"

unless its storage space issues on server..i dont see the harm... no one is required to listen...🤣 id be interested obviously 😂😁  

Thanks, this was just a relatively simple assignment of instruments and balancing the volume through the mixer.

I just don't want to overwhelm folks with all my posts (I do enough as it is!).

  

im more worried about underwhelming people with my post... coffee1

i may be wrong but i think we come here to read whats up and stuff...  😉

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@GregW - This is your fault! lol

Some of you may have heard the MuseScore mp3 of Dawning of the Day that I've posted before. A comparison follows that shows what a very simple implementation on a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) can do.

Here it is again.

And here it is as done with PreSonus Studio One 5 using Spitfire Audio's BBC Symphony Orchestra Violas and Tenor Trombone.

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@JohnG -

https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/52/52c25c9f85d97c5e369146264ccd954c.jpeg

 

Don't know if that's a fair comparison. 

I like the MuseScore version, because I can clearly hear the chords. 

There seems to be a volume problem with the PreSonus version - I can't hear it very well to comment much.  Noticed the same problem with your "Raglan Road". 

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Is this just a little oversight or an actual problem using PresSonus? 

- Emily

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Gregw- This is your fault! lol

😏 I was afraid of that.. lol

you can dive deeper by adjusting velocities and use timing tweaks on the midi tracks and also the spitfire plugins have their own articulation settings you can automate along with the presonus mixtool and other inserts to adjust levels and stuff on the main output thats over on the bottom right of the console page.  sometimes panning each channel differwntly ( think about looking at a stage with those instruments in front of you ) can bring out a little more instead of all the tracks straight up the center..youll get to that if not already.. and not saying it needs anything, I just figured its more info that is useful.

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@GregW -

Thank you!  

Btw, every little bit of info, in context like this, helps me more than you'll know. 😊

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ELCBK said
@GregW -

Thank you!  

Btw, every little bit of info, in context like this, helps me more than you'll know. 😊

  

@elcbk

Theres probably hundreds of these type videos on youtube and .they all basically cover the same thing..just know they are there when you need them.   

The guy in the video covers in brief some of the points i was talking about.  Now.. he uses different string libraries but the concept is the same and theres maybe even more possibilities with what spitfire  has...especially Johns BBC orchestra. ( I think he has the intro version.. @JohnG ...? )  presonus has their own string libraries built in so its not like you have to shop for more or wonder if you have one... ive used a couple..spitfire stuff great...even the free things they provide better sounding samples to me.  

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