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..... I'm having conceptual problems here - I'm looking at the Viola 2 part, and in bar 42 we see this ( now - I am NOT a happy sheet reader as you all know - so I'm more than happy to be corrected / put out of my misery - don't hold back !!! ) -
My limited understanding tells me we're using the C-clef ( aka alto, or viola clef ). The middle line is middle C. Two ledger-lines below take us to B3 ( I think - I'm not sure precisely how the "octaves" are counted - it's either B3 or B2 - whatever - not important... yes it is - it must be B2 - just LEAVE ME - I'll get there... ROFL ). Anyway - in the key of F ( or Dm ) the B is flattened. We see it cast here with a natural in front of the note, so that would be B ( not Bb ). That's fine. Then on the 3rd triplet, it is flattened back to Bb - that's fine as well. But are we detuning our viola C to reach it ? ( I'm not kidding, it's what I did to get F# below G on the violin for something else - so it's perfectly possible )...
Come on - put me out of my misery and enlighten me - because this occurs elsewhere in the Vla 2 part - oh it's around bar 52 or 53 in the repeat section - (haven't looked at Vla 3 or 4 yet - this just stopped me in my tracks) ! LOL
P.S. I wasn't going to actually play that part - I was just looking at the overall structure of the entire piece to see how it "all comes together"
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh -
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
KindaScratchy said
This looks great! Part 2 looks like the hardest part; I'm thinking that I'll do 1 and 3 right now.
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All in all, this should be a fun and educational project, just like the others!
Yup - I have learned so much already from @Fiddlerman 's Thaxted - it was great to see and understand just HOW as a composer / arranger you can make a piece "come together" with slightly different timings ( triplets on one part - straight 1/4.s on other voices - and so on - and MUCH more evident in this latest piece ) and bring an "unexpected rhythm" to the piece - something, as a player, you just do not get by playing an individual part, but is totally apparent to the listening audience when all players are "in concert"... Cool - as you say - educational, absolutely... (and of course, FUN ! )
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh -
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
I started playing it a little yesterday. I don't have it close.. the first part of the first part it easy enough.. I know the song, but not as familiar as I thought. I will surely need all 8 weeks to get it done.
Yay.. Look at everyone joining it.. COOOOOOL Summer Project.
Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato
Nice one @coolpinkone - it can be REAL difficult ( as I think it was @cdennyb was hinting at ) - any "formal arrangement" is never quite what any one person "hears in their head" - when I hear a "complex" arrangement ( in the sense of several instruments playing together - rock band or orchestra makes no difference ) I get a "sense" of a melody which is not necessarily the ACTUAL melody line as played, say by the lead instrument ( whatever it is - even if there IS one ). I am also "swayed" by the "internal rhythm" of the piece ( not necessarily the percussion parts - just the different instruments "playing with", or even "against" and "beating against" each other in their timings - I find it quite magical at times and wish I understood what's going on in my head when I listen )
I've always felt like this about music, but I have now experienced this "close up and personal" with @Fiddlerman 's Thaxted project, and even more so with this one... I find it really quite interesting and at the same time "difficult to explain"... there may just be a musician hiding somewhere inside me trying to get out.... who knows... LOL
I am tempted to submit my acoustic guitar version ( not because it is anything special, just because it ALSO is "different and personal" and is my own solo-acoustic arrangement ) but it's not really a postable item (is there such a word) in the fiddle forum - I'll do a quick recording tomorrow once I dust-off the acoustic guitar which hasn't been played for a while ( I blame the fiddle for that ) and post it in the... shhhh... you know where... It's nothing special, it's just "different".... ( and besides, I chose to play in C / Am anyway to ease some of the guitar string riffs ) so it will be of NO help whatsoever to anyone for the project... LOLOL - so - this is NOT the place for that, but you can keep your eyes peeled for it to appear you know where...
Keep working at it CPO - you'll do fine - I have a similar problem ( like Denny and probably everyone else who have already taken the tune into their consciousness and made it their own ) - we all "hear it" in a different way but this time round we have to obey the sheet / click track and not just "wing it" LOLOLOL
http://www.fiddlerman.com simply rocks (OK, blatant advertising I know, but I make absolutely no apology )
Bring it on folks !
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh -
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
Thank you @Bill. I am happy to hear your thoughts. And it helps to talk about it and what we are encountering. I am eager to put it together.. reading the sheet isn't my issue.. but this song is about so much more than notes... you know what I mean.
We can do it..
I will keep you and all abreast of my progress and I hope you all do as well.
xo
Toni
Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato
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LOL Steve - I forgot to add, I also have this "Didgeridoo" as well (honestly) - OK here's a pic - - of which the @Ferret ( John Luck ) will no doubt approve ! I thought it was the only way I'd manage to get below the "C" LOLOL... hahahaha... EDIT: No - you don't have to be crazy to be a member here, but by heck it sure helps.... !
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh -
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
bummmmp!!!
How is everyone doing on this? I worked on the first sheet of Violin 1 last night. I am familiar with the song as far as I know of it... and as far as I know the beginning of it in my head a bit. I definitely got better with it over the last few days. I am not familiar with the way the song goes as the page turns to the second sheet.... BUT I am not too worried... I didn't know Thaxted either... :).. (oh but that took months and months..
Looking forward to hearing how everyone is doing. 8 weeks!!!! and counting.. tick tock.
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@KindaScratchy Wish I could make it Diane, this will be a long work weekend for me, 14 hour days. Makes it tough to do much more than get home, practice (maybe) do a few chores and hit the sack.
I'm having fun trying to figure this one out. My daughter learned it pretty quick on the guitar. Supposedly only a couple of chords. Well, I'm delving into D Minor for the "first time" in a long time and still trying to figure out the dotted quarter note rhythm... My instructor is helping. I really want to get at least two parts done before the deadline. Maybe even one on the violin..
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Fiddlerman said
I am sorry that I let my imagination go wild when I transcribe/write arrangements and it may accidentally become a bit difficult but I will make practice videos for you guys to play along with me. We'll get this done together. I may even write an additional simplified part.
Thanks for the enthusiasm!!!
yes please. Some. practice videos would be a great help. Violin 1 page 2 and the double stops would be great. Thanks Pierre
I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....
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Fiddlerman said
I am sorry that I let my imagination go wild when I transcribe/write arrangements and it may accidentally become a bit difficult but I will make practice videos for you guys to play along with me. We'll get this done together. I may even write an additional simplified part.
Thanks for the enthusiasm!!!
An additional simplified part would be great.
Let the bow flow.
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