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Hi Emily
re Celtic connections., ahhh sorry, didn’t realize they have workshops as well.
@AbitRusty, thanks, didn’t compute at the time that they cater for many instruments, stupid of me.
Thanks for all the helpful advice, all makes sense.
The version/styIe am most drawn to, and probably closer to the one I previously learned it, is to Alasdair’s version. Like how he plays it a wee bit slower (than Hanneke), but not quite sure if I can define why I prefer it. They both sound really good in their own way.

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Douglas Montgomery plays the fiddle in the Orkney Isles' Saltfishforty duo.
Just so happens he has a pretty wonderful strathspey TUTORIAL for "Netherbow"! The tune was composed by James Craigie, from the Northern Isle of Rousay - might be in Ador.
Douglas Montgomery - having a little fun with a Fred Morrison strathspey, "Aird Ranters". (lol) Back in March of 2021 - people were getting a little crazy with covid restrictions!
...thought there was already a thread somewhere about Orkney Fiddling (must be my wishful thinking) - still, part of the Northern Isles of Scotland.

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learning this Strathspey which originates from Shetland (islands above Orkney in the Scottish map above). Trying to play it much slower than what I have heard others playing it, really like it

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@Ford Glass -
I like Shetland music - you picked a wonderful strathspey to learn!
"Willie Hunter’s Compliments To Dan R. MacDonald" looks like it has an unusually structure with the way the repeats are set up (?)
In my early ignorance (some may argue hasn't changed) I ended up starting TWO Strathspey threads on the forum - thinking I should somehow separate Scottish & Cape Breton ones because the way some are played is different & I didn't even do that.
So, there IS another 'Strathspey' thread (with a couple reels thrown in) with some really GREAT discussions in it! Cape Breton Strathspeys & Reels Thread
In both this thread and the other one, I talked about Lady Dalrymple of North Berwick's Favourite (YouTube video link).
Tim MacDonald & Jeremy Reed did a series, sponsored by "The Society for Early Scottish Culture" - playing from "Niel Gow's Third Collection of Strathspey Reels (ca. 1792)". This video was one of them - what I think is showcasing a good historical representation, possible of the time.
Now, I 1st visited this video over a year & a half ago - inquired about tuning (excited I could tell it wasn't standard) & got a quick response. BUT last week, Tim sent me another extremely detailed reply about SO MUCH MORE - especially pertaining to the time period!
Please click on the video link to read the whole reply!
Tim wrote a paper that's on his website (which I hope to read this week) - "Strathspey Reels: Clarifiying Dance Music in Lowland Scotland 1750-1833".
Here's MORE of Tim & Jeremy's playing "Niel Gow's Third Collection of Strathspey Reels (ca. 1792)"! I LOVE the very expressive bowing!
The Niel Gow Sesessions - 55 video Playlist of Tim MacDonald & Jeremy Ward
Btw, have you had a chance to check out the Scottish Sessions Thread?
@stringy (hope you see this, too)
- Emily

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Re Willie Hunters., not sure why the repeat structure is unusual…..Because both the first and second parts are repeated??
I did see the response you got from Tim…..yeah very informative and very generous of him to give such a detailed response.
I have been keeping an eye on the Scottish session thread. I have not participated in a session before but kind of thinking it’s about time. An Irish one has just started not too far away from me, so just need to pluck up the courage and get my feet wet.
Do think Scottish and Cape Breton strathspeys can sound and be played very differently. For example, might be primarily because of the key, but the Lady Dalrymple played by Tim above feels very old, dark and foreboding, which seems to be in contrast to many of the upbeat and lighter? Cape Breton strathspeys.

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I'm looking forward to a few workshops with Alasdair Frasier - starting Thursday, the 1st day of Fiddle Hell (thread)!
Found a little article in 'Strings Magazine' that would easily improve any of the Scottish music threads, but referenced here - I thought might help tie them together!
Alasdair Fraser on How the Scottish Fiddle Is a ‘Vehicle for Different Types of Dialects’
A few excerpts:
Here, fiddling often mimics other instruments in the region - bagpipes, harps, and singers—and marches, jigs, and slow airs derived from Gallic singing are abundant.
Or, Fraser offers, “I’m going to play my fiddle in Doric, which would be northeast, Aberdeenshire.” There, you’ll find a sophisticated focus on the art of strathspeys. “I could go up to the Shetland Isles where I would admit more Scandinavian influence into my sound,” Fraser adds. In those remote islands, positioned between mainland Scotland and Norway, you may find open ringing strings and a distinct swinging sound. “As you head south to big cities like Edinburgh and suchlike, where there’s been more contact with the European continent, more Italian influence coming over in the 18th century, you can allow sound to be more informed by Baroque stylings,” Fraser adds.
A third component: Knowing how to articulate. “So we’ve got the language, which gives a regional flavor, we’ve got the bowing, which can be influenced by the dances, and we’ve got the ornamentation, which is part of the language,” Fraser says. In Scottish fiddling, there are multiple ways of embellishing with grace notes. With ornamentation, it’s all about developing “fistfuls of informed palette” as Fraser describes. “Every finger is available to add spice and nuance to the melody notes at any time.” The best way to discover ornamentations is to listen. Go see a Scottish fiddler perform, or view tutorials online. “Listen to your favorite bagpipe player, and steal all their grace notes,” Fraser adds. Singers are also helpful sources.
I definitely prefer the fiddle to the bagpipes - for expression, but pipers seem even more meticulous about timing in their ornaments! Some ornamentation is usually always seen in piper notation, but like with fiddle music - may not reveal exactly what is expected from a player. In the Scottish Piper Tunes Played on The Fiddle Thread, I've started looking closer at how bagpipe ornament notation is interpreted.
IMHO, Matt Willis has done some remarkable tutorials on ornaments... if nothing else, might cause you to take a 2nd look when you see them notated - or reconsider where, and what type, you choose to play. VERY SMALL ADJUSTMENTS in ornamentation timing can make a difference in 'lift' & 'drive' - even on the fiddle!

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So... I wanted to share 2 strathspey tutorials from Matt Willis.
These are for taking a look at strathspey timing.
I don't think Fiddlers are ever this strict with their strathspey interpretations, but I think it's good to know why pipers do it this way.
This 1st video is a great 'concept' tutorial that could help Fiddlers - not only beginners, but also folks who have played strathspeys.
It shows a fool-proof way of HOW to identify the core melody, PLUS helped me learn to identify other important parts of these tunes!
...NO, you don't have to play a chanter, or pipes - the notation is the important thing to take from this tutorial.
This 2nd video gets into the importance of timing Triplets in Strathspeys! Matt actually shows how to interpret different types you might see in notation!
We have to use bowing & fingers on strings - but rhythm is rhythm & this helped me understand what to listen for & work on. Amazing to me - the way Triplets are viewed can have such an impact on the rhythm!
This is exciting, because 'ornamentation' has been an ongoing rabbit hole for me - from the start of my Violin Adventure! ...nice to be able to stuff a few more in my pocket, but it can be overwhelming!

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I learned a lot about Strathspeys this past weekend at Fiddle Hell.
Origin, surrounding culture/language (also in historical context) and dance - all important.
This was pretty interesting... the pointed rhythm - a Scottish rhythm matrix (?)
The Origins of the Strathspey (The Strathspey in Scottish Music - Robert Lamb)
There are quite a few different Strathspey Dances. One major thing I noticed (besides 32 bars)... abrupt hops/skips mingled in with more reserved walking steps. Looking & listening to these - I can see how it would be important to add a little extra 'umph' in the music so the dancers feel like doing those hops & skips!
Scottish Country Dance Dictionary - Strathspeys
The Royal Scottish Country Dance Society Strathspey Videos - YT Channel
Fiddle Hell Thread - workshop & concert replays are still available until August!

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I've had this wonderful set bookmarked for a while - sharing it here, so I get motivated to learn parts of it!
Angus Blaise Set - there's maybe 5 tunes in this set (?) I'm thinkin' Strathspeys, except for maybe the last one (reel my guess).
All I know is 3 are Wendy MacIsaac originals & she named the set after one of her younger sons!
Not sure if it's just a 'Cape Breton', or Canadian Fiddling 'thing'... I've been noticing for a few YEARS now that sets will have a name, but no mention of the tune titles in them! Sometimes I have a successful search, but I'm pretty tired of going on the hunt just so I can share some notation & talk about tunes. I don't always want to learn the whole set! 😖 I have a hard enough time remembering names of tunes - now I have to try to remember a tune lineup, just so I can describe one of them! (sorry, done ranting)
...anyway, may only learn part of this set, but getting started! Mentioned more about some great music & fiddling by Wendy MacIsaac in the There's Wicked Fiddlers, Violists & Cellists Here! Thread.

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I'm still working on Wendy MacIsaac's "Angus Blaise Set" - while what I've learned from some of the Fiddle Hell workshops is still fairly fresh in my mind (plus, trying to sneak in bowed-triplet practice everywhere I can).
Only started dipping my fingers into the 2nd tune today, while getting the 1st better. Had to take a minute to figure out where each of the SIX tunes (edited) begins & ends, because there's some variations that really had me guessing.
Still don't think I want to learn more than the 1st three tunes in the set - even that may be too much.
What I have is:
- starts the set - LOVE playing this! Going to always associate this with the set title, until I know different... so, Angus Blaise!
- Calum Breugach (edited) starts at 1:24
- ? starts at 2:15
- ? starts at 2:59
- ? starts at 3:40
- ? starts at 4:33
When I was taking a break, I watched these quick tips from Paul Anderson. Even though Cape Breton music is played a little differently, it helped me keep some bowing goals in focus.
"The Cape Breton Fiddler" by Allister MacGillivray - free download from the Internet Archive.

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Hi Emily,
the second tune in the set is Calum Breugach
https://thesession.org/tunes/2319
think it finishes at 2.16, so there is an ‘extra’ tune in there (2.16 to 2.59)

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@Ford Glass -
OMG, I just accidentally touched the wrong 'star' rating for your post, when I want to give you a TEN!
I can't thank you enough! That makes PERFECT SENSE - thought I was losing my mind (or just not getting enough sleep 🤣) as I was trying to play that 2nd tune last night!
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
So, SIX tunes in that set! I have read somewhere that THREE are Wendy's... so there should be titles for a few more.
Please let me know if you find out anything more!

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Was listening to some fairly recent music played by Elizabeth and Ben Anderson. One particular set grabbed my attention - 'Mr. John Gow's Delight' (Niel Gow Jr.) & 'The Laird of Franklin Park' (original by Elizabeth & Ben).
Mr. John Gow's Delight (notation link) - beautifully expressed as a slower strathspey, Elizabeth & Ben chose to add a little 'fill' between parts, which may or may not be unusual(?), but not originally notated. What I did find unusual was this tune was written in the key of C minor (Niel Gow Jr.) - pretty sure that's not common, think I mentioned elsewhere that 'The Session' doesn't even offer C minor as a viable search option for tunes - Fdor, yes... odd?

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I barely mentioned William Marshall (in post #12, A Peek at Scottish Fiddling History Thread).
...regarded as one of the greatest composers of Scottish fiddle music.
Some of Marshall's best-known compositions are the strathspeys'The Marchioness of Huntly', 'The Marquis of Huntly's Farewell', 'Craigellachie Brig'(named after the Craigellachie Bridge), and 'Lady Madelina Sinclair'; the air 'The Nameless Lassie'; and the reel'Easter Elchies'. Marshall published two collections of his work, A Collection of Strathspey Reels with a Bass for the Violoncello or Harpsichord in 1781, and Marshall's Scottish Airs, Melodies, Strathspeys, Reels, &c. for the Piano Forte, Harp, Violin & Violoncello in 1822. A third collection, Volume 2nd of a Collection of Scottish Melodies Reels Strathspeys Jigs Slow Airs &c. for the Piano Forte, Violin and Violoncello was published posthumously in 1845.
William Marshall – Publications (great info on his collections)
Three collections of Marshall's music exist, but prior to these Marshall's music came out on single sheets. One sheet, published by Urbani and Liston, Edinburgh (c. 1800) and entitled "Kinrara by Mr. Marshall", contains six tunes, including "Brodie House a Reel" by the Duke of Gordon. Another entitled "The Farewell, A Favourite Slow Melody, with other Scotch Strathspeys & Dances by William Marshall Esqr. Keithmore", which was arranged for the Piano Forte and published by Alexander Robertson, Edinburgh, circa 1822, contains five tunes.
I do LOVE this music! 🤗
Their WHOLE album is William Marshall tunes!
Strathspey Queens II Playlist
Paul Anderson has a HUGE cash of William Marshall tunes he recorded for his YT Channel (fingal cromar)!
Paul's William Marshall's Strathspey playlist
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