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BillyG
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Hi,  I'm putting together a backing track for Whiter Shade of Pale, and have run into a minor issue - I can work around it by adding a separate staff for piano "chords" - but I'm sure there must be a "proper way" to score this in MuseScore - this is my problem in the image below - in the second bar I want to play an Amin, but to have the "A" held for the duration of the bar....

 

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  That is, the note I have highlighted, I want to be a full-note ( semibreve ) just like the Cmaj in bar 1 - but if I do that on the highlighted note it "replaces" all the other notes and turns into this - 

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which is NOT what I want at all....    any suggestions out there ( other than just adding a separate staff for sustained chords.... )

  Thanks in advance....

 

EDIT:  Oh, and of course it goes without saying, once I have it completed, I can make it available to anyone who wants it - an all-time-classic song !  It won't be heavily orchestrated or anything like that - just something "pretty reasonable" to play along to...

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How I would probably do that, Bill.. You highlight the staff in question, right click and take the "Pianoroll editor" option. 

That option is set up like sequencer software (or presumably like an old fashioned play piano roll) and you can stretch or shift individual notes however you need to.  Sometimes it is handy for doing some things where you just know it is possible, but MuseScore's interface is being a bit of a butthead about it.

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Ahhh... right - Thank you @DanielB - yup - I had forgotten about the piano roll - now I see it, it reminds me of the Cubase (and other) editors...    fairly new to MuseScore, so it didn't "click" with me.    But I like it a lot.

Thanks again !

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Yeah, it isn't the most visible option in MuseScore, so finding it at first can take a bit of looking.  But handy to have more than one set of tools for working on a score, since you can switch between them when fine tuning a piece to get it sounding just the way you want.

Only problem I run into is sometimes I'll use a piano-roll type editor and get a bit so it plays with just the right "feel" and then I look at it as regular score and it will look so complicated with itty bitty rests and etc that I'll just know that if I were to put it out like that, I would have no friends. LOL

Sometimes it ends up being better to compromise a bit so that the standard score is a bit more.. accessible..inviting.. Ok, less of a nightmare. LOL

But yeah, when you get this track done, I'll be on the list of folks asking for a copy.  Haven't tackled "Whiter Shade of Pale" on violin yet, but I think I can get the feel for it.  It would be a fun piece.

Good work, Bill!

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DanielB said
......But yeah, when you get this track done, I'll be on the list of folks asking for a copy.  

  Noted, Daniel.

  I think I mentioned I never really wanted to "orchestrate" this, and keep it "simple" - but - I just cannot leave out the pipe-organ....  lol...   I'm giving myself about 30 to 45 minutes a day to work on this - it's very basic really - but like most scores, once I get into sections that "repeat" even if it is just timing-wise but notes are different it becomes a breeze...   here's the intro as it stands - haven't added any dynamics yet so it comes in somewhat abruptly - haha

 Assuming all goes well, look out for it in, oh say a week's time, maybe earlier.

EDIT: Oh yes - right now it is "rocking along" at 120.   I intend it to be a slower tempo, probably around 100bpm - I'll see how it feels once it's all put together.

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I don't use MuseScore but with Finale, just create a second layer. Perhaps something like layers exists with MuseScore...

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Thanks folks,  @danielb 's suggestion works, but also @admin thanks for mentioning "layers" - researching this a bit more once you mentioned it - yup - it's there MS refers to layering as "voiced parts" - as I say - pretty new to MuseScore -

Know what - I should RTFM   ( Read The Flaming Manual ) LOL - (but that takes time away from real things I want to do !)

MuseScore manual topic - 

Voices allow you to have notes on a single staff which start at the same time, yet have different durations. Voices are sometimes called 'layers' in other notation software.

In a polyphonic measure, voice 1 takes the up-stem notes and voice 2 takes the down-stem notes

So that's more or less exactly what I needed - but it's a moot point now anyway as I brought in the pipe-organ as a separate instrument and I'll just cheat with it anyway and slap the sustained chords there - although must admit - the piano treble and bass lines are always going to bring out the rhythm a bit better....  anyway - like I said - I don't want to turn this into some kind of electronic muzac / elevator music thing....

P.S. Progressing a lot faster than I expected - about 50% through it already !  Easy peasy ! Might even get it finished on my next session with it tomorrow morning... 

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