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Fiddlerman jig
A project for anyone who wants to join in
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It doesn't. You asked me what it should be called so I said anything you want, in fact that would be a good title itself'owt you want' very Irish, they make titles up for a laugh. Anyway then I just thought of that title of the top of my head, if you said you wanted it to be related to all those who participate (assuming we get a few more) it could be called something like, the fiddlers folly, or fiddlers joy, or fiddlers at the bar, because we all wrote several bars, and is a play on the bar in a pub in omewhere like mayo when you can't get near it for fiddler's getting a pint, fiddler's folly relates to the fact we may have been naieve in thinking we would get a lot of people joining in.

I have several fiddle tunes of my own  like Jane Black, captain mac Carten,,the road to Downpatrick and the like, I can think of names all day long, and tunes, if you have a theme you want let me know.

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Okay, some great options for a title - guess I'll leave it untitled until finished. 😊  

Still looking for someone to contribute the last 4 measures to the 'B' Part!

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cb8fd124767e460943865f2ac340aab2.jpgEveryone winding down from the Holidays? 

This might be a great time to consider adding 4 measures to the Jig Project Stringy started!  It would complete the 'B' Part for this collaborative effort!

@Mark?  Anyone else? 

We need to have a minimum of 2 complete parts. 

...if more folks are interested, a larger Jig would be wonderful! 

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Afraid we are going nowhere with this unfortunately Emily. Its a Shame I had this idea of it sort of being a fiddlerman theme tune for all the members and being associated with the site..

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I have 4 bars completed want to go over them one more time to verify they work, then I'll down load life has been crazy and only checking in to forum at work before shift starts with no way to upload to forum. I'll try and get it uploaded this weekend.

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@Mark -

BLESS YOUR HEART! 

I figured you've been busy.  Just knowing you are working on it is a big relief - don't think you need to rush! 🥰

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Great stuff Mark, you are like the cavalry coming over the hill;) can't wait to hear your part. 

When it's all done I intend printing and framing the music for on my wall, great talking point.

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Emily I think my bit would probably be better ending on an open a , rather than d, what do you think, I have been playing through, and my bit doesn't work going back Into your part for the repeat, Andrew was right about that, the open note also does go better into his bit. It sounds a bit odd but different.play it and see what you think  of it, when I wrote my part I wasnt thinking of it going into a repeat.

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@stringy -

🤔... exciting possibilities!  

I am certainly not opposed to changing your dotted 'D' to open 'A' (both times played thru), but consider changing your dotted 'D' to 3 eighth notes (a little longer on the last), like: E,A,A - playing both as open A's OR... E,A⁵,A⁴ (maybe as a 2nd ending)!  So, to play the last full measure/bar, it would read E,F#,E E,A,A.

I'm laughing to myself, because Andrew's first 'D' had been the only thing bugging me... I wanted to play that a half step higher SOOOO BAD (and I'm not even sure why)!  BUT, a different A Part ending CHANGES THINGS, so I don't feel like that anymore! 🤗

Another possibility - have you thought about changing your dotted 'D' on the 1st play thru, ONLY?  Consider a possibility like: D,A,G - keeping the dotted 'D' on the repeat.  

Anyway, only my opinion.

My feelings have changed quite a bit since this thread started (and I'm grateful to be able to collaborate with my friends & learn from it)! 

Been thinking about the Jig rhythm & groove that keeps folks from sitting still, but also wondering what impression this will have on others when it's done.  I don't think I want other fiddlers to think this sounds like just another Irish Jig - I want other fiddlers' first response to be "I HAVE TO PLAY THIS TUNE!"

 

This is your call, it's your part! 

If you want your part to end in 'A' both times through - then I will change it. 🤗

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@Unfretted - 

Hope you will consider adding 4 measures after Mark completes his!

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Been giving this a bit of thought and trying different things with it, I think hold note d down, grace note hammer on off on e to create a roll, d, e grace note, d , c sharp, open a. Hope that's understandable, basically roll d c sharp a, with grace note on e to start it.

It's different, 3, 8th notes, 1 16th, or 32nd depending on how quick fingers you are.

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@stringy -

Think I understand - one of those 'waterfall- type' rolls (can't remember if there's a name for it🙄), because you are ending on a lower note (C#) than what you start on (D)? 

So, just to be sure, the the last measure would be [E,F#,E,(D,E,D,C#),A]? 

BUT, just thinking we haven't notated any ornaments anywhere else (yet?) - so should I just change the dotted D to read [D (eighth), A (quarter)] for now? 

Want more time to think on it?

 

Was wondering if you've been thinking of chords for what we have so far? 

I've spent time trying to learn more about chord progressions for Jigs, but I'm not finding anything 'standard'.  Some say I, IV, V - but I've seen jigs/parts end on IV or I chord!   

I was also wondering about 'cadence', does it matter what kind ends a phrase, a 'part'?

Don't we really need the chords to consider cadence?

Anyway, if you end the 'A Part' of our Jig on an 'A' - I think the last measure could have a perfect/authentic (V, I) cadence using chords A/C# (C#,E,A) and  D/F# (F#,A,D).

 

Thought maybe worth talking about.

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For anyone reading this thread, considering composing something akin to ITM & want to learn more? 

There's a HUGE list of discussions to peruse at The Session (I have only scratched the surface): 

Discussions on 'Composing' - at The Session

 

For more general composing information, 'My Music Theory' site has free help meant for ABRSM & Trinity Music Theory students, but anyone can learn from this site!

Composition search at My Music Theory

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That's more or less it Emily, I will play and record it today if I get time to see how it sounds from other perspective, sometimes tricky when heard un the ear. That's a good name waterfall roll by way, don't know what it is actually called, I think it's a bit unusual, wanted something different to set our tune apart.

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No need to change anything yet by the way, no rush.

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What do you think Emily, changed my mind completely on the end, I think this I the best, plain and simple, had to read it as I don’t have it memorised as yet, but this gives you the sound of the change from one part to another, only put one run through of Andrews bit but I think the entiretune sounds bob on, and is up there with any other Irish jig.

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Get some cuts and rolls, in there as well when it’s completed, I will have to work on the rhythm when I play it as well.

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@stringy -

Woo Hoo!  Yep, sounds GREAT! 🤗

 

Picked up my fiddle for a quick comparison: D, A ending vs E,A,A ending (for the 'A' Part)

 

 

The more I mess with this, the more variations I have fun with, but when it comes to ornaments (I didn't record any) - I find myself only wanting to replace some notes with rolls. 

...still got my fingers crossed, hoping more folks will become interested so we can end up with more than 2 parts. 🤞🤞🤞

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I like it, one thing for sure, a is definitely the turn  around note, like the eaa ending, as well.  Maybe we could do different versions, like on the session;)

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@stringy - 

I forgot to ask if you want that notated with D quarter, A eighth? 

Or, both dotted eighth? 

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