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@Fiddlerman 

Did you notice that I dressed my cello? 😁

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2023 GROUP PROJECT INFO LINK

TO MOVE IT FORWARD

 

For all information, click the link below

https://fiddlerman.com/2023/08.....christmas/

 

Confirmation of Successful Submission List

 

Link To a Discussion for Converting to mp4

 

Sheet music
Submitting instructions
Eventual click tracks
Previous group projects
Lesson Videos

 

YouTube Lesson Links for Group Project

Violin 1 Group Project 2023

Violin 2 Group Project 2023

Violin 4 Group Project 2023

Viola Group Project 2023

 

Click Tracks

Please check out the click tracks which are available below and on the project page.
Note that LogicPro didn't use my swing rhythms on the eighth notes but I expect everyone to swing the eighth notes as we did in the quartet and on the tutorials.

 

Post is a work in progress

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AnnyJ said
Hats off to everyone who has been able to complete this project.

Am I the only one having trouble with this? 😳😰

  

@AnnyJ  The project is tricky this year for a few reasons--the tempo, the triplets, the swinging 8th notes.  Are you having a specific problem?  Maybe we can help you out smile

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@AnnyJ  The project is tricky this year for a few reasons--the tempo, the triplets, the swinging 8th notes.  Are you having a specific problem?  Maybe we can help you out smile

@SharonC Thank you. It's the swinging 8th notes and I can't hear the piano sound on the click track while I'm playing. I'm aware I'm supposed to focus on the beat rather than the melody sound, but it's something I'm not able to do.yell

The bowings throw me off a bit as well.
  

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Fiddlerman said

Katie L said

Will the deadline be extended ? I’m still practicing 😫

What do you guys think???

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The traditional extension will probably take place. I like people to think that it's Monday or No-day but, you guys know me. Just don't spread it too much. 😁

  

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I think, if you will have time, maybe extend it one week, and that is it? If you will have time to out it together before Christmas.

I think you need to address what participants can do if they are having issues with specific things.

Some members are having issues with swinging the 8th notes, or whatever the swinging is. I have no idea about swinging, and I submitted mine. I don't know how to do anything but play the note. I did the best I could and submitted it.

I think this needs to be addressed. I think that stating to add the swing is preventing some from submitting, making this a project not for every level. Could you please address whether it needs to be perfect or just as good as you can get it, at your level of playing? 

Thank you, I think this will help, and allow participants to have less stress and just enjoy participating. 

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I think the triplets are also an issue with some. The ending trips for cello, last measure, I just played one note, I think the last note of the trip.

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@Fiddlerman

I think, if you will have time, maybe extend it one week, and that is it? If you will have time to out it together before Christmas.

I think you need to address what participants can do if they are having issues with specific things.

Some members are having issues with swinging the 8th notes, or whatever the swinging is. I have no idea about swinging, and I submitted mine. I don't know how to do anything but play the note. I did the best I could and submitted it.

Please don't worry about swinging. If a lot of people swing differently, it'll sound fine in the mix. The tutorials cover swing a bit as well in case they are helpful. I would just do my best but not worry if it's too much of an issue. When 100 people are playing at the same time, it will give a tutti affect rather than an un-rhythmical effect.

Basically think of the first eighth note like two tied eighth notes in a triplet while the second eighth note is the 3rd triplet.

I think this needs to be addressed. I think that stating to add the swing is preventing some from submitting, making this a project not for every level. Could you please address whether it needs to be perfect or just as good as you can get it, at your level of playing? 

Thank you, I think this will help, and allow participants to have less stress and just enjoy participating. 

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Mouse said
I think the triplets are also an issue with some. The ending trips for cello, last measure, I just played one note, I think the last note of the trip.  

Not following. The last measure doesn't have triplets.

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Fiddlerman said

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I think the triplets are also an issue with some. The ending trips for cello, last measure, I just played one note, I think the last note of the trip.  

Not following. The last measure doesn't have triplets.

  

Next to last measure, sorry. Half note G, quarter note (DED), quarter note (CBA) The DED and CBA are trips, I think, equalling the quarter note. There is a 3 above them. Oh, I played the first note of each, I played, G D C for that measure. I am not able to do triplets. I think I only held the D and C as long as they would have been in a trip. My fingers just won't finger a trip right now. It just seemed natural this way to me.

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AnnyJ said

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@AnnyJ  The project is tricky this year for a few reasons--the tempo, the triplets, the swinging 8th notes.  Are you having a specific problem?  Maybe we can help you out smile

@SharonC Thank you. It's the swinging 8th notes and I can't hear the piano sound on the click track while I'm playing. I'm aware I'm supposed to focus on the beat rather than the melody sound, but it's something I'm not able to do.yell

The bowings throw me off a bit as well.

  

  

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Fiddlerman talks about the swing thing above, so I'll talk about the click track & bowings.

I had a hard time, too, hearing the piano on the click track—I found that the percussion sound overpowers it. 

Bowings are a little tricky, too.  I know I altered at least one of them in my final recording—it is what it is smile

Some suggestions I’d make:

1) Use the click track with all parts (rather than the individual instrument ones)—I think the piano on the all-parts track is easier to hear compared to the others.

2)  Use earbuds/headphones on both ears, or if using only one, use it on your right ear.  I use one earbud, and wear it in my right ear.  Your instrument is under your left ear, so if you’re using one & you’re using it in your left ear, it may be harder to hear the click track.

3) Bowings.  I’m thinking like in measures 6, 9-11, 17-18, 21, etc., It is kind of hard to focus on these as you’re trying to do all the other things (tempo, triplet, accidental, swing).  I know I changed at least measure 10 in my recording—just happened that way, and so I just went with it. 

When I’m having trouble with areas, I break down the problem measures, working backwards, and practice them slow multiple times.

Example:  Measures 9-11

I’d start with the 2nd beat of the measure 11 (C, C#, D) – just those 3 notes.  So that you are practicing the C to C# (however you’re playing that – sliding 2nd finger, etc.,), practicing the C, C#,D with the bowings (down up down).

Once you’ve done the 3 notes multiple times with those things, move back to the beginning of measure 11 – the triplet, which starts on a down bow, and stop on the 2nd beat C (beginning 8th note) – so you’re playing the triplet and then 1 8th note – bowing down, up, down, up, down (E,F, E, C). 

After doing that multiple times, put both parts together, playing all of measure 11.

Then back up to measure 10, and approach it the same way; start with the 2nd beat of the measure, etc.,   

After you’ve broken down the measures and put them back together, if you find yourself still altering bowings, but you’re good otherwise (i.e., tempo, rhythm pattern, intonation), I’d say just go with it smile

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Way to go, @Walter-58!

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If certain passages make you lose the rhythm or are too hard, add rests (don't play) and play the next measure. I do it like this when I can't keep up.

This way you have your video to participate in the project, don't be discouraged.

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I sat out and counted for the trips in measure 39, cello. I played the quarter note, counted for the 3 beats. I came back in on the 40th measure, It was an odd measure for me, and playing just one note of that trip was difficult. There was a rest as part of the triplet and it made it difficult for me. I am so bad at this! I kept missing the timing for playing the last two quarter notes in that measure. So, I counted the beats and came in on the 40th measure.

I seem to recall that I was told you could do that with the second GP I participated in. I was to count the beats and come in when zi could, but I did not drop the bow down, I kept it where is was. 

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Mouse said
I sat out and counted for the trips in measure 39, cello. I played the quarter note, counted for the 3 beats. I came back in on the 40th measure, It was an odd measure for me, and playing just one note of that trip was difficult. There was a rest as part of the triplet and it made it difficult for me. I am so bad at this! I kept missing the timing for playing the last two quarter notes in that measure. So, I counted the beats and came in on the 40th measure.

I seem to recall that I was told you could do that with the second GP I participated in. I was to count the beats and come in when zi could, but I did not drop the bow down, I kept it where is was.

Perfectly fine. :)

Remember that even if someone played the first note of the baseline of a chord in every measure, it would still sound good in the mix later. Things like that won't even be audible in the end.

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AnnyJ said

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@AnnyJ  The project is tricky this year for a few reasons--the tempo, the triplets, the swinging 8th notes.  Are you having a specific problem?  Maybe we can help you out smile

@SharonC Thank you. It's the swinging 8th notes and I can't hear the piano sound on the click track while I'm playing. I'm aware I'm supposed to focus on the beat rather than the melody sound, but it's something I'm not able to do.yell

The bowings throw me off a bit as well.

It's ok if you don't do the exact bowing. It's just meant to make the tutti playing look better. When I wrote in bowings for string players in my full time orchestra positions, I would sometimes get into discussions about which bowings work best for others. Sometimes a professional will not realize how difficult bowings are for others if they are easier for themselves. Even professional string players will argue about the best solutions.

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More submissions than ever before this early in the game. Usually they all come in the same day as the deadline which is on Monday. :)

 

  1. 20231124_160428 Jim Thompson.mp4
  2. Cel_EricH Eric Horning.mp4
  3. Cello_Maria Maria Reinhard.mp4
  4. IMG_0463 Benjamin George.mov
  5. IMG_4077_Converted 1st Violins. Kathy (Elf) Katherine (Penquins) Mcconville.mp4
  6. IMG_4078 Violin 1’s -Kathy (elf) and Katherine (penguin)McConville.MOV
  7. Jeremy Irwin VL1_Fiddlerman Jeremy Irwin.mp4
  8. Jeremy Irwin VL3_Fiddlerman Jeremy Irwin.mp4
  9. KarenRuthGreen_vln2 Karen Green.MOV
  10. Katherinetucker_vl1.mp4 Katherine Tucker.mp4
  11. Katherinetucker_vl1replace.mp4 Katherine Tucker.mp4
  12. Katherinetucker.vl4.mp4 Katherine Tucker.mp4
  13. Mouse_cello Mouse.mp4
  14. SharonC_Vln1.mp4
  15. violin 1 Nora Nora.mp4
  16. Violin 1 Rhonda Brown Rhonda Brown.mp4
  17. violin 2 Nora Nora.mp4
  18. Violin 2 Rhonda Brown Rhonda Brown.mp4
  19. violin 3 Nora Nora.mp4
  20. violin 4 Nora Nora.mp4
  21. Violin1_CarolV Carol V (Carol Vandenberg).mp4
  22. Violin1thomasbailey Thomas Bailey.mp4
  23. Violin2_Lisa_Summerlin Lisa Summerlin.mp4
  24. Vl1_Angelo Walter Brandi Angel Walter Brandi.mp4
  25. Vl1_CaelynDalton Caelyn Dalton.mp4
  26. Vl2 Jim Thompson Jim Thompson.mp4
  27. Vl4_Fiddlerman Dale VanCllef.mp4
  28. Vl4_KarenBard Karen Bard.mp4
  29. VL4_Natalie Sindelar Natalie Sindelar.mp4
  30. Vln1_Carolyn_B.mp4
  31. VLN1_Fiddlerman Rachael Devernoe.MOV
  32. Vln1_JImHeiman.mp4 Jim Heiman.mp4
  33. Vln1_Marianne Cleataz Marianne Cleataz.mp4
  34. vln1_Marie-Blanche Marie-Blanche.mp4
  35. vln1_Maud Maud.mp4
  36. VLN2_Fiddlerman Rachael Devernoe.MOV
  37. Vln2_Marianne Cleataz Marianne Cleataz.mp4
  38. vln2_Maud Maud.mp4
  39. vln3_Maud Maud.mp4
  40. vln4_Maud Maud.mp4
  41. Vln4_May_Bhetraratana May Bhetraratana.mp4
  42. Vn1_Jim_Dunleavy Jim Dunleavy.mp4

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Fiddlerman said
More submissions than ever before this early in the game. Usually they all come in the same day as the deadline which is on Monday. :)

It was a HUGE help to have the sheet music avilable so early, hint hint 😉

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I have a question regarding file naming. Is VL violin or viola?

I'm doing the violin 4 piece. I really wanted to do violin 1, but those darn triplets just come too fast for me to keep up with the tempo.

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