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If you are listening tomthe backing track of all parts, try using the click tracks for just your part.

You play as written. If it is slur, you do not slur. Try to use bowings as marked as much as possible. 

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2023 GROUP PROJECT INFO LINK

TO MOVE IT FORWARD

 

For all information, click the link below

https://fiddlerman.com/2023/08.....christmas/

 

Sheet music
Submitting instructions
Eventual click tracks
Previous group projects
Lesson Videos

 

YouTube Lesson Links for Group Project

Violin 1 Group Project 2023

Violin 2 Group Project 2023

Violin 4 Group Project 2023

Viola Group Project 2023

 

Click Tracks

Please check out the click tracks which are available below and on the project page.
Note that LogicPro didn't use my swing rhythms on the eighth notes but I expect everyone to swing the eighth notes as we did in the quartet and on the tutorials.

 

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In case members do not look at the previous page, new member Kristie posted some questions. Her post is the last post on the previous topic page. 

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If you are listening tomthe backing track of all parts, try using the click tracks for just your part.

You play as written. If it is slur, you do not slur. Try to use bowings as marked as much as possible. 

If anyone else can clarify better, or correct me, please please do.

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Thank you for the welcome and the reply.

1) I am only listening to the backing track for part 1.

2) If I bow as written, it doesn’t work out. If I bow each note separately between the second to last note of measure 9 and the next bow marking above the E#, the E# would be a down bow, not up. So somewhere between those two bow marks, I’m going to have to add a slur or something.

I hope that makes sense.

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@Kristie I am hoping someone else will chime in. I will post your request in the chatroll to draw attention to it, I am doing cello. 

If you do not get a response while you are still logged on, check back often. You will be helped with your questions. 😁

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Kristie said

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If you are listening tomthe backing track of all parts, try using the click tracks for just your part.

You play as written. If it is slur, you do not slur. Try to use bowings as marked as much as possible. 

If anyone else can clarify better, or correct me, please please do.

Also, I just emailed you a welcome email with forum information. Please your spam or other folders if you do not see it in your inbox. Welcome to the forum. You might want to introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself room, would be great to know as little or as much as you feel like sharing. 😁

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Thank you for the welcome and the reply.

1) I am only listening to the backing track for part 1.

2) If I bow as written, it doesn’t work out. If I bow each note separately between the second to last note of measure 9 and the next bow marking above the E#, the E# would be a down bow, not up. So somewhere between those two bow marks, I’m going to have to add a slur or something.

I hope that makes sense.

Hi @Kristie ,

Do not slur.  Use separate bows.

I’ll come back and be more helpful later, but we’re heading out to dinner right now.

You can use two down bows in a row, or two up bows.  More later…

Also, watch the Violin 1 Tutorial Video. Very helpful.

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Kristie said
First post here…

I’m really excited about participating and started practicing yesterday. I’m an intermediate player (7+ yrs) and mainly play bluegrass and fiddle tunes. 

Any advice on playing with the backing tracks? I’m having trouble hearing the melody. Turning up the volume makes the rest of the backing track too much for my ears. 

Another question about bowing. Do I do my own thing when there are no markings? For instance, measures 9 and 10, Violin 1. The E is down bow, the next marking is an up bow, do I choose where to add a slur in between those two? Normally I would play the triplet with one bow but that doesn’t work. The same thing happens multiple times.

Thanks! 

  

@Kristie Welcome to the Forum!

For the click track:

I would agree with Mouse—use the Violin1 only track to make it easier to hear the melody. 

I just focus on the pulse (downbeat); I’m not a fan of the “accessory percussion” sounds—too much extra things to hear—I like to just hear the steady beat, so once the song starts, I tune out the rest of it. 

I’ve got some practice video software recordings here (at slower tempos) that might be helpful (for practice—not performance) that I mentioned on the previous page of this thread: 

https://fmgp2023xmas.sharonslc.com/

For bowings:

You’re right—they don’t work out.  I’d say try to use the annotated bowings marked, and work around what makes that work (aka "do your own thing").  I’m retaking my bow in some places.  Here’s a copy of what I’m doing—

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@maudmaud That was wonderful!  Great job! Wreath Emoticon

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maudmaud

That was great, you all keep up the good work. 

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@maudmaud -

I just listened to your recording! 

❄ WONDERFUL!!! ❄ 

Sounds like you all put on a great performance! 

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Thanks😊

For the video, I wonder if I should set it to 440 or 442 Hz?

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For the video, I wonder if I should set it to 440 or 442 Hz?

@maudmaud , use 440.  Gibbles mentions this in the tutorial.

Great video you posted.  I’m sure your audience will love this!

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Thank you, I hadn't paid attention to this information😅🙏

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Kristie said

Mouse said

If you are listening tomthe backing track of all parts, try using the click tracks for just your part.

You play as written. If it is slur, you do not slur. Try to use bowings as marked as much as possible. 

If anyone else can clarify better, or correct me, please please do.

Also, I just emailed you a welcome email with forum information. Please your spam or other folders if you do not see it in your inbox. Welcome to the forum. You might want to introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself room, would be great to know as little or as much as you feel like sharing. 😁

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Thank you for the welcome and the reply.

1) I am only listening to the backing track for part 1.

2) If I bow as written, it doesn’t work out. If I bow each note separately between the second to last note of measure 9 and the next bow marking above the E#, the E# would be a down bow, not up. So somewhere between those two bow marks, I’m going to have to add a slur or something. 

@Kristie ,  In measure 10, I play the E natural as an up bow.  However, I do not slur it.  I play E natural then E sharp in a single up bow, however I lightly stop the bow very briefly between the two notes.  This adjusts the bow direction while still playing two distinct notes as written.  I do the same thing in measure 11 with the D natural and D sharp.

We all come to this with different backgrounds from different teachers and thus have different opinions and perspectives.  I had years of classical lessons when I was young, and now I mainly play old time, bluegrass, and Celtic styles at local jams.  

I personally would not add slurs or slides to this piece for the project because that is an overt arrangement decision.  If Fiddlerman, as arranger and conductor so to speak, had wanted the softness of slurs, I’m sure he would have included them.  Listen to the official Violin 1 tutorial.  I would describe the feel of this piece as “crisp,” just short of staccato.  Use the little gear icon on You Tube to slow down the Gibbles Violin 1 tutorial.  Play along with it to get the feel.

Referring to your earlier question, Yes we can use discretion in unmarked bowings in order to make the marked bowings work out.  But I wouldn’t just do whatever I want on those unmarked notes if it affects the overall feel of the piece.  On the other hand, if this were a fiddle arrangement, a fiddler could throw in slides and slurs anywhere.

In measures 7 and 8, as well as elsewhere when two down bows are encountered, I do what Sharon called “retake” the bow, also called lifting or circling.  I play the first down bow and then lift the bow, circle my hand, and then gently return to the string on a down bow without a bouncy crash landing.  This technique takes a little practice and finesse.  Well worth it.

 I love practicing and doing all these little bow-nerd techniques on these group projects!  So great for maintaining good bow control.

Hope that helps.

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Kristie said: 

“Any advice on playing with the backing tracks? I’m having trouble hearing the melody. Turning up the volume makes the rest of the backing track too much for my ears.”

@Kristie , when using the click tracks, I use them like SharonC said she does.  I just focus on the downbeat and play in sync with the track as if it were a metronome.  

I use a great pair of Sony wireless Bluetooth earbuds (model WFSP800N … About $199 at the time, purchased on sale with coupons for $25.) I can just tap these earbuds to start or restart the click track.😊

Anyway, when I use the Violin 1 click track at a comfortable volume, I can’t hear any melody being played, just the beat.  That’s perfect for me!  You are not trying to FOLLOW the click track, which could imply a little lag; you are trying to perfectly SYNC with the rhythm of the click track.  If I am fully in sync with a simple click track, I can’t hear the melody. 

If you’re uncomfortable playing with a click track, practice with a metronome first.  Also use the YouTube settings (little gear icon) to slow down the official Violin 1 tutorial by Michael O’Gieblyn to learn the piece with the proper feel, swing, phrasing, rhythm, etc.  If you can play the piece at tempo with Gibbles, the click track will be a breeze.

About the Swing… since folks have had questions:

 If it helps anyone, I’ll throw in my 20 cents worth on the swing rhythm.  Not being condescending here, just going basic so anyone/everyone can get onboard.

- Set your metronome to an easy 50 BPM at 4/4 timing.  Count the steady downbeats and tap your hand or foot to feel the rhythm… 1, 2, 3, 4

- Now play quarter note down bows on an open string on the downbeats and count 1, 2, 3, 4

- Put down the bow.  Count the upbeats as well, tapping on the downbeats and saying “and” on the upbeats. 1 and, 2 and, 3 and, 4 and.  This corresponds to eighth notes. Each eighth note is held for an equal length of time.

- Still using the metronome, play eighth notes on an open string while counting.  The downbeat is a down bow.  The upbeat is an upbow.  Each eighth note is equal, and each set of eighth notes fits within the beat, for example “1 and” is two eighth notes.  Play and count this for a while.

- Get wild! Mess around playing sets of eighth notes with the metronome, starting each set on the downbeat, BUT…  play the individual eighth notes within a set for uneven durations.  Play one note Long, and the second Short.  Play one note Loooong,  and the second Shrt.  Play one note Loong, and the second Short. It doesn’t matter how you divide up and get creative or jazzy within a set of eighth notes, as long as each set of eighth notes begins on the counted downbeat in sync with the metronome (the tempo).  You’ve started to swing!

- Now if you’re playing in a group, you need to swing together if the sheet music designates “Swing” with a set of eighth notes at the top of the sheet.

- Listen to measure 3 in the Violin 1 tutorial and feel the swing.  Listen to measures 12, 26, 34.  Find Glenn Miller on the internet playing Chattanooga Choo Choo and listen to the swing.  Slow down the Violin 1 tutorial and play along with Gibbles on the Christmas piece. Feel and play the swing.

- Back to the click track. Play the piece in sync with the downbeat as you’ve learned it from the sheet music and the Gibbles tutorial.  Fiddlerman cautioned us that the melody portion of the click tracks might not swing the eighth notes like it should (software), but he expects us to swing when we play.  No problem.  Stick with the click track BEAT and ignore the rest.

Swing is usually written out with eighth notes to avoid overly-cluttered sheet music.  Yes, very defined swing can be notated fairly precisely by going old school and writing out sheet music by hand, as most music students were routinely taught to do back in the day.  But swing is also supposed to be free, and the abstraction to eighth notes allows for creative interpretation.

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Thank you for all the responses to my questions, they have all been very helpful and interesting.

SharonC, your videos are really great, thanks for making them! 

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Don't forget about the Important Video Tips and Requirements found in the original blog entry

https://fiddlerman.com/2023/08.....christmas/

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Kristie said
Thank you for all the responses to my questions, they have all been very helpful and interesting.

SharonC, your videos are really great, thanks for making them! 

  

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2023 GROUP PROJECT INFO LINK

TO MOVE IT FORWARD

 

For all information, click the link below

https://fiddlerman.com/2023/08.....christmas/

 

Listing of Those Who Have Submitted Successfully

 

Sheet music
Submitting instructions
Eventual click tracks
Previous group projects
Lesson Videos

 

YouTube Lesson Links for Group Project

Violin 1 Group Project 2023

Violin 2 Group Project 2023

Violin 4 Group Project 2023

Viola Group Project 2023

 

Click Tracks

Please check out the click tracks which are available below and on the project page.
Note that LogicPro didn't use my swing rhythms on the eighth notes but I expect everyone to swing the eighth notes as we did in the quartet and on the tutorials.

 

Post is a work in progress

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Just bumping this up in the recent post list on the right to keep it easily accessed. 😁

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