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Intonation ⇆ Left Elbow
Look to the elbow first.
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I didn't really place a lot of emphasis on pivoting the left elbow until I wanted to learn vibrato... then I thought, maybe it was just me that had a hard time moving my elbow far enough - because I have an extra string to reach for. 

Then I found this great video! 

 

 

Dr. Henrik Karapetyan got his music degree from U of M, here in my home State - and I believe he may still reside in the Detroit area (great for me if I want help).

...elbow 1st, then fingers in the right spots. 

- Emily

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This may actually help me sort out some of my playing issues, I'll have to see/experiment with it.

 

I believe that the biggest improvement for intonation comes from being precise in finger placement rather than just slapping my fingers down any old which way like I have a tendency to do.  Learning where to put them when the move is different for every string/note position is part of it, even though fingers are "on the diagonal" in relationship to the fingerboard/strings.  Most of that comes from practice, more practice, and even more practice.

 

I do think the tucking the elbow thing might help me with this and other things.

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So, here's a little different approach to using the left elbow - this makes so much sense to me & quite an eye-opener! 

Changing from playing with fingertips to fingerpads, using 5ths! 

Would love to have some feedback on practicing this approach - of interest to Violists, as well as Violinists. 

 "The Violin in 5th's - Developing Intonation and Sound" - Violin Masterclass with Rodney Friend. 

 

 

"An easier way to play the VIOLA, based on 5ths" from David Rose. 

 

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ELCBK

I watched a diffrent Rodney Friend video a while back and then started playing scales in 5ths the way he suggested, it seems to help.

Mark

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@Mark -

Thank you! 

I have such a hard time trying to bridge 2 strings on my Viola, especially the lower ones. 

I'm sure it would be a much less daunting task on my fiddle, cause the strings are closer together - just not playing it right now.

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Rodney Friend & 5ths -

jeez 🤬 here's ANOTHER THING I've forgotten to work on! 

Yep, I'm still playing on my fingertips. 

...fixing things - the bottomless pit.

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Everyone's fingertips are a different shape, so your ears, as always, are your most important tool when arranging your hand to play fifths.

Andrew

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I didn't mean for this to be about 'how to play good 5ths'

The 1st video is about how to set up the right elbow, forearm and hand - for more comfort & better intonation.  

Then, the next 2 videos (violin & viola) use a different mindset - a technique that starts at the elbow, helps set up the arm & hand to play on the finger 'pads'.  I felt it was more about nicer tone, better intonation AND more comfort while playing - than playing 5ths. 

...I started to work on this, but got sidetracked.  

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