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Katie L’s Violin Slog
Starting off with trying to get straight detache bowing.
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November 28, 2022 - 2:03 am
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Katie M

I have played bass and rhythm guitar in a live groups for 47 years and until the group projects I had never played with a click track, and I struggle with it horribly when playing the fiddle so don't despair your not alone with your struggles with the click track, I'm right there with you.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

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Katie L
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Oh wow I do feel less alone now Mark.. what is it you struggle with ? For me it’s having the beat and then having to fit the notes into the beats. But ….. after doing what Emily suggested a lot I think I’m starting to get it in a very weird kind of a way … like I’m seeing where the tied notes end in relation to the beats. I’ve been using Sharon’s videos as well . And when I picked my violin up I just felt like it was sort of going in. There is hope …. But that’s today tomorrow could be different !!! Hope you are getting on ok with it .

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Definitely managed to make some progress tonight with Wexford Carol. There were a few bars I had to play over and over -I found the ties were making me go wrong . I’m concentrating on the rhythm so bowing really lightly so you can mostly just hear Fiddlerman. And then anytime I go wrong I look at Sharon’s vid and see what she did. So I think I’m about half way through and feel a lot better . I think I’ll just try my best with it when it comes to recording - hopefully I’ll be able to carry on making progress! 

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Katie M

What do I struggle with, well.

A. Playing the fiddle for starters

B. I'm so use to hearing with both ear listing to all the parts 

C. That click track is the most unmusical noise pounding in one ear I have ever heard, I know there are in ear monitors, but I'm use to having a wedge in front of me for my monitor. I do however completely understand it's need for a project like this, it's just out of my comfort zone.

D. I'm old and pretty set in my ways, and I need an excuse for how badly I play.lumpy-2134

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Hmm it’s weird, I actually think the problem with me isn’t the click track because last year when we did White Christmas , I followed it fine. I think it’s because I knew the tune. I just think I don’t know Wexford Carol and the rhythm to me is hard to get my head around . But I think counting and writing the note value above is a benefit and it’s helped me a lot. and I can finally see where the note values sit with the click track. 

It’s really good practice though- although my session this morning wasn’t that good ! Onwards !!

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/5d/c1/ba5dc140d5af5d6d5bbc65e286cf8763.jpg@Katie L -

You are mighty brave going into tunes flying blind - but you don't have to be. 

Taking time to get to know a piece of music before you try to play it, feeling it, having a sense of what you want to accomplish, where you are going - listening can make learning it easier... it's probably the biggest reason why I post so many music videos. 

You can still get into the mood, it's time to be bombarded by Christmas music anyway! 🤗

Yo-Yo Ma, Alison Krauss - The Wexford Carol

Wexford Carol - The Tabernacle Choir

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This is where I am. I haven’t had the chance to practice today !! Usually I practice before work . My alarm didn’t go off and guess what ?? Late for work….

https://youtu.be/4pOi5OcmibU

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Pretty darn good!

Are you practicing with the click track in your ear? 

Just pay extra attention that when the F is natural, the very next measure it defaults back to F#

My suggestion is you only practice with the click track from now until you record... unless you take a moment to re-inforce good intonation on a note (plus the one before it).  You have to record with the click track in your ear, anyway. 😊 

 

Get the F# down like you do in the 1st measure - you'll be perfect! 🤗 

- Emily

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Brilliant that is a great help Emily thanks for watching ! I have a speaker with the click track so yes I have been practicing with the click track. I will definitely practice the sharps and naturals and hopefully I’ll hold my nerve when I record hopefully this weekend !!

Thank you !!! 

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I like it, listen to those notes ring.Nice rich tone as well.

Cant beat a sunny day

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@Katie L  I think you’re in a good place with it—you’ve got the counting down, even in measures 10 & 11 with the 16th notes into the triplet—excellentthumbs-up Just need to watch the F sharps & the F naturals.

I love the last 10 seconds when you can see the home stretch—when you’re almost at the end, & you know you’re going to make it! smile

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Thanks stringy and Sharon glad you liked it .

That’s so funny Sharon because you are exactly right and can’t believe one of the times I played it all the way through I was recording ! And yes I got near the end and was thinking I’m almost there don’t completely mess it up !! 

I think tomorrow practice with click track and the f sharp and natural and Sunday record .. I think I might just do it !!

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Katie, great job!  i think youve got playing with a click track down!

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@Katie L  

You’ve come a long way with this in such a short time!

Try playing along with Gibbles when he plays through the whole piece at the start of the tutorial.  That will help with intonation and flow.  Then alternate playing along with Fiddlerman’s official click track and Gibbles a few times.

To get a better intuitive feel for the timing, notice that almost every measure in the piece is preceded by an eighth note in the measure before. As an exercise, think of those eighth notes as pickup notes just like the very start of the piece. Play each measure alone but begin with the pickup note. 

Look at the sheet music from a different perspective for a minute: the quarter note- eighth note ties are the same duration as a dotted quarter note.  Sit down and read through the whole piece imagining those ties as dotted quarter notes.

Make a temporary copy of your sheet music.  Circle the F naturals and B flats in red.  In your head, focus on that G major key signature with the F sharp.  Relax and play every F as a sharp unless it’s red. Very easy way to handle practicing a modal piece.

To make quick work of those tricky intervals, turn on your tuner and practice watching your intonation carefully for a few minutes. Pay special attention to the F natural on the E string. 

If you feel you really can’t meet the deadline with Violin 1,  there’s no shame in playing a different part for the project. Every Part is needed to make the outcome beautiful.  Part 3 is much easier and you could pull that together right away.  Part 4 is absolutely lovely.  Part 1 is definitely worth pursuing over time regardless of the project.

Go for it!

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Thank you abitrusty and unfretted … you have helped me a lot ! I think today it’s more practice and I will re print my music and circle the f naturals.. the one on the e string I keep forgetting about so I will pay attention to that .

Gibbles tutorial has been a great help so I’m going to go back to that!

Thank you ,

Katie 

p.s I meant to click 5 stars not 4 !!

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My pleasure, Katie.  It’s just my two cents, but I’m happy if it helped.

You are always so dedicated to learning proper form and technique, and that’s one reason why you are making such steady progress.  It’s a joy to watch you succeed.

Good luck!

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Oh wow thank you unfretted for such a kind comment ! I appreciate it.

I’ve got news.. I just recorded and submitted!

I did my absolute very best !!

Thanks for all the help from my forum friends 😁😁😁

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Congrats, Katie!!!

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