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As an adult beginner, how long does it take to get good enough to...
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I have been learning from a cousin of mine who has got sufficient knowledge and plays in a band, almost 3 years have passed and now I feel I have got some knowledge of it.

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Welcome to the forum, marinnepully.

Judging from the link, I will take a wild guess and say you're trying to decide on which brand of instrument to buy, am I right ?

Actually I don't see enough "thumb's up or down" for any of the instrument's on the list that I would make a decision based on this poll.

You've come here looking for help on which to buy. That's a decision you will more than likely have to make on your own, based on how much money do you have and how much you want to spend, how serious are you about playing and learning, is this just a passing fancy or is it a long term.

Probably the most you will get from this forum are from other beginner's, many of whom bassed their decision the same way as you, from other's opinion's. The majority will tell you that what they bought as beginner's is the one to buy.

Does your cousin play violin in a band or some other instrument. There are several of us here who have played in band's in the passed, just not violin, so a guitar player, piano player or drummer wouldn't be quite qualified enough for "me" to make that type of decision.

I personally play a $ 300.00, "Fiddlerman" violin that I am quite happy with. You will get a lot of suggestion's here, but like I said, the final decision will be your's.

Again, welcome to the forum and whatever you buy, you are completely satisfied with.

 

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Composer said Ugh.  The responses so far have been nonsensical to be kind.   There isn't any grey zone in violin like a piano.  You either are competent or no one will want to listen to you.  Anything less than 4 hrs/day practice is basically a waste of time because it requires intense concentration that can last at most for 20 minutes at a time.  And then you need a substantial break to relax.  So 4 hrs turns into 3 hrs right off the bat.  Take 1 hr for tone production, and 2 hrs for scales and arpeggios and the day is done without consideration for a lot of misc stuff that has to be done as well. What can you do in 60 minutes?   Pulling a good tone from the instrument is impossible...talent is not even an issue.  I'm not making this stuff up.  A professional soloist will have practiced 8 hrs/day for long periods of time.   Its slow going ...Dorothy Delay said as much..."its time consuming".
There are a lot of "grey areas" when it comes to the violin just as any other instrument. There is also a big difference between getting good enough to play in a community orchestra versus becoming a professional player in a professional orchestra or a great soloist. There are many different variables involved. Different community orchestras have different requirements for membership, some require auditions, some don't and there will be a large degree of skill variation and competency among the members. Some players will be highly skilled and can play every note in every piece perfectly regardless of tempo. Other members may be near beginners and not capable of playing every note and/or may onl;y be able to play less complex pieces at slower tempo's, etc.  And everything in between. Also,m for each indivuidual player his/her skills and abilities will usually improve over time depending on how much time is spent for practice, building technique, etc. It also depends on the type of music being played i.e. difficult, long and complex symphonies versus simplified arrangements or simpler tunes, etc.

 

I play in a community orchestra and I see this regularly. Most of what we play are classical compositions as written by the composers. Skill levels in the violin section alone are quite varied from player to player. Yet we manage to make some very beautiful sounding music that people enjoy listening to and we enjoy performing for them and working together as a group. That is what is important.  If we were a professional orchestra then the playing field would be quite different as would our expectations both as individual musicians and collectively as an orchestra.

 

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Crazymotive said
How long before you can join a community orchestra ? It depends of a lot of factors including the orchestra itself and their policies.  If they require auditions and/or are very judgemental it may take years becofre you are good enough to become a member. If they don;t require auditions and welcome everyone and tolerate room for learning and improvement as you play along then you may be able to join after a few months or a year of practice and learning.  Also, how fast you progress will depend on what they are playing. If they are playing difficult compositions, symphonies, etc. it may take quite a while for you to catch up to them. If they are playing more basic music or simplified arrangements then you might progress quickly. If you have never played in an orchestra and never followed a along with a conductor then you will also have to get familiar with that sort of thing as well.

 

I joined a community symhony orchestraa little over a year ago.  The music is not easy. Symphonies by Beethoven, Mozart, Handel, Ravel, and other composers which we play as written by the composer. No arrangements, no simpliications. But they are also non-judgemental and have no auditions.  When I first joined I could barely play anything they played. Except for a few notes here and there I my playing was pathetic. I was lost through most of the pieces. I even thought of qwuitting but I decided to stick it out. Now today, a year later I am not only able to play the pieces but I am keeping pace with the orchestra. I am literally playing music I never imagined I could ever play. Some of it is even starting to look easy. I have also embellished the aboility to not only follow along with the music but to also watch the conductor and follow his direction.  In short I have made a vast improvement in one short year. It has also enhanced my ability to read and understand more complex music. follow along with accidentals, changing key signatures, etc.
Other people progress at different rates.  One thing our conductor stressed when I joined. He said to me, "don't worry about not being able to play every note, just play what you can, even if it's only 1 note per measure or less. In time you wll be able to play the entire piece".... I must say he was right.  Another good part was that none of my fellow orchestra members were judgmental. When I was having difficulty early on nobody mocked me, laughed at me, or ridiculed me fio not being able to ace through the music. At no point did I ever feel disgraced. Everyone was courteous and helpful and made me feel like part of the family.
Others may have different experiences. It depends on so many factors. How fast you progress, how you are treated, what is expected of you, etc. All I can say is whatever the situation, go for it, and do the best you can and don;t feel discouraged if it doesn;t work out right away. Stick with it and keep trying.

I strongly agree with you about the factors that determines how soon can one join an orchestra.

You are very lucky to have such positive orchestra experience! Not everyone experience the same, though.

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Composer said

It takes about 7 years for an adult self learner to play the violin well enough to play in a community orchestra.  Now, my contribution is rock solid.  Pierres, is a bunch of hand waving.

Hmmm.... lets see. I play in a community orchestra and I think our orchestra has clearly proved the above statement wrong.  Yes, we do have some people, like myself, who have played all or most of their lives and who have had formal lessons We have some who have played as youngsters and haven't picked up their instruments in 10+ years and we have some who have been playing no more than a couple months. Yet put it all together and we sound pretty damned good. Good enough to play quite difficult music at concerts and have people really enjoy what they are hearing. can we match a pro orchestra like the London Philharmonic ?:Hell no. But we can play well enough to bring happiness to people and bring everyone a real sense of satisfaction. And  the critics have giving us some rather good reviews. And yet, we do have adult self learners with far less than 7 years violin experience.

I know I have already harped upon this but I have a thing about patently false statements.

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