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JohnG
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jim c said
Just a head's up- I think the click track 2 is for part 3 and the click track 3 is for part 2

  

Yep, even I agree. 2 is 3, 3 is 2.

The old curmudgeon!

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Hmmmm, this could just be me (it probably is) - but I cannot make the click track fit the printed score. (I'm looking at Vln1 - but I assume this might well be common across other parts)

What's my problem?

Well it seems to be on the 2nd volta.  On the current score (as of the date of this post), downloaded this morning, I see the first and second voltas like this -

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The score extract shows 2nd volta with 5 bars....  but, the click track appears to have an extra bar (which actually makes it "better", but then I just like even numbers, LOL j/k).  

Score (currently) is 30 bars to start of 1st volta, then 2 bars of volta 1
Running total - 32 bars

Then we repeat the first 30 bars, and volta 2 is 5 bars,
giving an final running total of 30 + 2 + 30 + 5 = 67 bars played

However, the click track runs for 68 bars -

how do I know - well - apart from being "thrown out of step (right at the end) while playing to click track while reading the score" I then counted them with help from Audacity....

(total samples = 6,544,654, samples per bar = 96218, bars = 68.019...)

[ For the geeks like me - that was Audacity using a 44100Hz sample rate.  The answer arrived at is never going to be perfect, but that is more than close enough to tell me there may be an issue between the (current) score and the current click track.]

Has anyone else encountered this, or have I somehow simply lost the plot ???   Any and all assistance very welcome !!!

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@BillyG . Yes, it's not right. If you ignore the 1st & 2nd time bar marks it works though.

Also, there's no count in.

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Jim Dunleavy said
@BillyG . Yes, it's not right. If you ignore the 1st & 2nd time bar marks it works though.

Also, there's no count in.

  

Yup TY @Jim Dunleavy - just what I found (so, no, I'm not going crazy! LOL - well that's still up for question I suppose...facepalm) LOL.  I PM'd Pierre anyway.   I feel it "better" with the extra bar (like it just felt "odd" from the sheet itself - no pun intended - with a bar count of 67 ! )  

Possibly a sheet update (rather than a click-track update ? - Dunno... dunnojust so long as everyone becomes aware of it one way or another...)

**EDIT** Oh - agreed on the lack of countdown ( I've done my own, prepended to Pierre's click track ) - but it can be an issue for folks getting the click started and picking up the instrument etc unless you set it on repeat and wait the 2+ minutes to the next time it starts....

Good point from Jim,  @fiddlerman - a few bars countdown would assist some (most?) folks to "get ready" ...  (as you've done before).   I should add, I LIKE the simple piano line in the click, that WORKS WELL - no confusion, no "long-strings" (which can confuse on a play-along), and it marks the beat/sub-beat nicely...

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I just sent out a heads up to Fiddlerman.

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TY @mouse - already done - but the more PMs in his inbox, the more likely he is to notice it being such a busy chap! LOL @fiddlerman !

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Adding the link to the page with all the information again. It is easier than scrolling around pages for the  link:

 

White Christmas

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@Fiddlerman -

The 2nd & 3rd Click-Tracks still need to be switched. ❄

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Ty @Mouse -

Mouse said
Adding the link to the page with all the information again. It is easier than scrolling around pages for the  link:

White Christmas

  

 I should also add (since many folks won't necessarily read-back through this entire thread, or be following it post-by-post) that 

The click tracks have been updated.  The originally issued click tracks had an unintended extra bar in volta 2, and disagreed with the sheet.

So - if you have already downloaded the click tracks prior to TODAY (the date of this post, that is), they are WRONG.   Please return to the link above from Mouse and download the latest version.  

Cheers folks,

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@BillyG, @Fiddlerman  -

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Sorry, but it's STILL not correct! 

Click-track 2 and 3 are NOW THE SAME - they BOTH match Violin part 2. 

 

Hope The REAL Click-Track 3 didn't get permanently deleted! 

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@BillyG, @Fiddlerman  -

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Sorry, but it's STILL not correct! 

Click-track 2 and 3 are NOW THE SAME - they BOTH match Violin part 2. 

Hope The REAL Click-Track 3 didn't get permanently deleted!  

@ELCBK - sorry - yes - I agree there was (and apparently still is from what you say) a "naming issue" in that the track names (parts 2 and 3, was it ?) were swapped. 

I was keeping out of that one, it basically being a "naming convention" only (and could, once known about, simply be renamed by the user).  I was only looking at the internal, structural issue of the clicks, which didn't match the score and could lead to submissions which simply didn't match up at the very end.

I don't doubt what you say at all, but, I'll also have a look!

TY for keeping an eye on that side of things !

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@ELCBK -

  We have a difference of opinion now....  (which I cannot explain - but - we'll get there....  )

  Since your last post, and my promise to take-a-look - well - just done that.

  I created an entirely new folder, and downloaded all four .pdf sheets (for vln), and the .mp3 clicks.   The files created, were, without doubt from the download (and not some cached downloads area on my laptop)

  I did NOT use my own generated musescore sheet for the following tests and checks - I simply viewed each sheet one by one, with the associated (correctly named .mp3) being played in an audio player.  So NO (apparent) external influences on the score or the audio - it all came off the forum wp-content/uploads area via the links on the project page.

  I could uncover no discrepancy.   

  No naming issues ( like mp3 - 2 and 3 swapped, relative to sheet names )

  I found tracks 2 and 3 NOT to be the same, as you suggest.

  And no "missing" part 3 (had part-3 been the same as part-2 - if you know what I mean)- 

  Each named .mp3 matched up with its associated named sheet.....

  Hey....... it is STILL EARLY HERE - and it could be still be me not "getting it" properly LOLOL - but right here, right now, it all seems 100% fine to me....  hmmm  I know this isn't helping much ! dunnodunnodunno

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@BillyG -

We don't have a difference of opinion. 

Click-Track 2 & 3 are correct now! 

 

...I triple checked before my previous post, so some little gremlin fixed it during the 3 hours between the times we both checked. 🤣

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@ELCBK

Oh, thank goodness for that !  LOL !!!!

Hey - if it's OK with you, I'll go back and delete these intermediate posts (they serve no purpose now, and possibly just confuse others).  Let me know.

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This is probably a silly question because I'm not sure I have heard any lyric variations, but for the singing part but just wanted to check that the following is correct:

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know
Where the tree tops glisten
And children listen
To hear sleigh bells in the snow,
 
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
With every Christmas card I write
May your days be merry and bright
And may all your Christmas' be white
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@Fashionandfiddle - I believe these are the appropriate lyrics.

Without any other suggestions, sure, I'd go with that.

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I think Fiddlerman needs to,post the lyrics because they can vary. I think the above is the most common. I believe there is ankther member interested innsinging and playing. The same wording would be a plus. 😂😂😂🤣

I don't think that was  thought about. Good question, there, @Fashionandfiddle .

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Just PM'd Fiddlerman and suggested a link on the project page for downloading the lyrics.

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Houston, we have a problem!

Cello part 4, measure 18. 🤔

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@Ilona, (@BillyG , @Fiddlerman ) -

What is the problem?

Are there any other problems with the Cello parts (Fiddlerman's going on Vacation)?

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