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Robert Baillie Family - Scottish Music Legacy
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There was a thread that started with a little info on Robert Baillie, Is this old violin worth fixing? Robert Baillie Thread - never found out if it was worth restoring.

I found some of the same info as the thread, about Robert Baillie (senior) - not being a good fiddler, but made a few violins.  I did find a little more info (and ALL the different Robert's can get confusing), but can't find where anything special was noted about the violins.  Nothing is noted about them being cherished, or handed down & played by his son (Robert), who was an excellent fiddler & composer - as well as his grandson (Robert "Ballantyne" Baillie), who went to Australia.  

BUT, the Baillie Family definitely contributed some historical Scottish Fiddle music! 

From the Traditional Tune Archive: 

Robert Bailie [the younger], Penicuick, Scotland, was the grandson of mason Peter "Pate" Baillie (1774-1841), a famous fiddler-composer who lived in Loanhead, Midlothian. Robert Bailie's father was also named Robert (1811-1880) and was a fiddler of mediocre ability who made several violins. Robert (b. 1852) the younger, however, had considerable skill and style, despite being self-taught from childhood. It was said that he could have taken first violin in any orchestra, however, he was a blacksmith by trade. He supplemented this by teaching violin and was the conductor of "a very good quadrille band which plays with much acceptance, but he has abandoned the old strathspeys." It was Robert the younger who contributed compositions to Laybourn's Köhler’s collections.

The Highland Music Trust - Köhlers' Violin Repository Book 1 - edited by W. B. Laybourn.  These are trad dance tunes - a PDF available & tunes are listed, but I haven't looked to see which were contributed by the younger Robert Baillie. 

Robert Baillie scores are also available st IMSLP.

The National Library of Australia houses The Baillie Manuscript Collection of Scottish Fiddle Music.  UNFORTUNATELY, folks outside Australia can't access this info & music! 

 

If the Baillies' stayed around the Edinburgh area (until the younger went to Australia), I would expect this music to have a Baroque, or Classical feel to it - from what Alasdair Frasier has mentioned (elsewhere). 

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I ran across an interesting Robert Baille music project by Shane Lestideau of the Evergreen Ensemble (Australia)!

Violinist and fiddler Shane Lestideau explores the Baillie Collection: Scottish fiddle music played in Australia in the early 1900s. This is the music that brightened the days of Australian communities before the advent of recordings, blending virtuosic showmanship with beloved Scottish tunes. Played on a fiddle that had been part of the Baillie family for generations, this album recreates the soundworld of the travelling entertainer and the delight of those who came to hear it.

Robert ‘Ballantyne’ Baillie was a Scottish musician who emigrated to Australia in 1912, bringing with him the music of four generations of Baillie violinists. Lestideau stumbled across this precious collection of manuscripts during a fellowship at the National Library of Australia, and knew immediately that these treasures needed to be heard again. ‘The music is absolutely unique,’ she says, ‘and, to the best of my knowledge, no-one has recorded anything like it in Australia before. I describe it as “Fritz Kreisler meets James Scott Skinner”: virtuosic Romantic music mixed with a peated dash of Scottish fiddle flair.’

The violin Lestideau performs on here was gifted to her by Baillie’s son. Made in 1777 [Germany], it has a warm, grainy tone perfect for this style of intimate chamber music, and carries the signs of many years of music-making – the bow still bears the indents of Ballantyne Baillie’s fingers.

 

This is an informal recording - not the CD track, no piano accompaniment. 

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Wintergarden Fantasias - Album Playlist

ALL FABULOUS! 

The Berceuse is LOVELY! 🤗 

 

I'd like to play some of these, just haven't picked which to learn - all have a little 'Parlour music' feel to me, but there was an interesting surprise in the 'Gloomy Winter's Noo Away' track, going into a strathspey! 

Jeez, REALLY like the Hornpipe & Highland President, set... but it doesn't sound like a hornpipe!  ...and "Highland President" - didn't expect there'd literally be a James Scott Skinner tune dressed up! 

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Your Loving Father - Shane Lestideau Solos Album, 19 track Playlist 

 

One of the special things about the 'Your Loving Father' album is that the 19 tracks were paired with historical instruments and bows best suited to draw out the unique characteristics of the pieces themselves. Tunes from the 18thC were played on a baroque violin and with a baroque bow, those from the 19thC were played on transitional, gut-strung instruments, and the pieces composed with the sound of the bagpipe in mind were played on violin d'amore and viola d'amore (their sympathetic strings helping to imitate the drones of the pipes). This album explores the solo violin music of the Baillie Collection and the compositions of four generations of Baillie violinists are featured. 

 

THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET VERY INTERESTING!  YOU see what I see (starting at 2:33)?

The Original owner of the double-string violin: Iain Criathrar (John Crerar), A Highland Perthshire Fiddle Player 1750-1840). 

 

 

Jonnie Cope

I have heard several versions of 'Jonnie Cope', that I really like - but this tune has a very strange history - Johnny Cope

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There seems to be quite a few of James Scott Skinner tunes being given the 'posh' treatment... wonder if these are just Baillie's arrangements of his tunes, or if it could be vise versa.  I may have to ask, but Skinner is more well known.  The Miller o’ Hirn Collection of Scotch Music by James Scott Skinner (1881)

The Miller O’ Hirren 

 

I LOVE this lower octave "Dargai" - and the arrangement seems different than what Paul Anderson plays of Skinner's version... or else another tune got added on.  Bonnie Rideout plays it, too. 

Definitely the feel of bagpipes in this one!

 

There are some sets I have never heard before on this album... I need to listen again - haven't looked at the Baillie notation for any tunes, yet. 

Also, I'm curious about Robert (senior) Baillie's father - Peter 'Pate' Baillie (1774-1841), "a famous fiddler-composer who lived in Loanhead, Midlothian."

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Just wanted to share a short of Shane Lestideau playing the double-stringed violin (she uses to play some of the Robert Baillie arrangments) - I mentioned earlier. 

 

This unusual 7-string violin is believed to have been owned by John Crerar (Iain Criathrar), born around 1750 in Scotland and a student of Neil Gow. It found its way to Australia in recent times, as did a 19thC manuscript copy of his Marquis of Tullybardin reel in the collection of an unrelated fiddler. Through a long string of coincidences I was able to bring the two together!

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